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pro-tools what am i getting into?

eric atkinson

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Well here is the deal. My band has decided not to record in the studio this time around and instead buy some recording gear. This is what we are going to buy.

Pro Tools M-Powered 7 software

M-Audio 1814 FireWire recording interface

2 RP-8 Rokit powered monitor features an 8"

We have a couple nice computers to use..

So my question is am i forgetting anything? We have headphones , drum mics and vocal mics.

What else should i try and grab for a 4 piece rock band?

Thanks for the help guys
 
The 1814 has two mic pres in it. Will that be enough for you? If not, you may want to look into a second pre strip, something like the Digimax or Digimax LT to run the ADAT lightpipe into the 1814 ADAT in.
 
Ok will price that when i go back to tulsa next week. Thanks for the help guys. My band and i are such noobs at the home recording stuff. But we are also tired of spending so much money in recording studios. We just want the freedom of no time limits for a change. I am sure its the best idea. But at the same time i am a little nervous about using pro-tools. Just hope i can hack it. I am sure i can because i have ran sound for clubs for years. Thanks again for the help:D
 
The Behringer AD8000 would be a cost effective way to add 8 mic pres. We have it with our Digi002 and for the money it surprisingly works really well. I believe we paid $180 or so. We also have several tube mic pre's as well...They definitely help to warm things up.
 
Those two forums are pretty good sources of info. Also, if you're planning on picking this equipment up through mail-order, I recommend using Sweetwater. Call and speak with a representative rather than ordering online, and they'll help you build just the package you need, without breaking the bank. Might even be able to get some type of package discount, as well.
 
The band I'm in has spent the last four years doing our own demo stuff at home. It can work, and work well.

My hard learned lessons.

1. The learning curve for Pro Tools is pretty steep. Be patient.
2. Keep it simple. Record clean and mess with eq and efx at mixdown.
3. Digital is unforgiving of excessive levels.
4. Concentrate on mic placement, the recording sites give some great starting approaches.
5. Direct boxes don't suck. Recording bass in the "control room" is a blast.
6. You might end up going down a different road as far as mics. Think large diaphram condensor for vocals, small diaphram condensors for drum overhead, SM57 for snare. RE20 for kick or bass cab.
7. Bit depth matters much more than rate if you have to make a trade off.
8. This is the hard one - keep the sessions loose. Tense gets recorded.
 
Another suggestion, if you need another one... If you aren't already totally committed to Pro Tools, think about a PreSonus Firepod and Cubase: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] 8 mic pre's right there, and pretty good software.
 
It's been a few years since I've worked on protools (I use logic now)... in my experience, though, you should be able to catch the basics of protools pretty quick, if you are motivated... and having your band breathing down your neck is a great motivator. Just don't be afraid of it... and the fact that you understand a real-world mixer is a big leg up.

Know, though, that you WILL become very well versed in all the frustrating vagaries of computers and audio and interfaces. The steepest learning curve isn't the software, but in the technicalities of getting sound in and out of it. You will do lots of troubleshooting, forum-lurking, hair-pulling, and head scratching. And you will blow at least one recording session, spend eight gruelling hours trying to figure out some arcane problem, be ready to throw your computer out the window, only to learn the next day that the problem was one un-ticked checkbox three layers deep in a preferences menu. Plug and play is still a myth as far as daw's go. But don't let that scare you off... just be prepared for it.

I would echo the suggestion to check out the other offerings as far as daws and interfaces go. The other daws (logic, dp, etc.) were a little harder to learn than protools (for me anyways) since all the midi and looping functionality can be intimidating.... but I'm glad to have learned Logic because midi is sooooo much fun, even though I never thought I'd use it.

I like protools a lot, but moved away from it because I found their support was lacking and the early m-audio stuff was getting questionable reviews, and I personally don't like the way digidesign traps you into their software/hardware and ransoms you for upgrades every couple of years... it seems like they might have come around a bit since I switched, though.