Prokofiev quintet fingering question

Discussion in 'Orchestral Technique [DB]' started by thedbassist, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. thedbassist

    thedbassist Guest

    Sep 10, 2006
  2. I'm guessing that you mean Big # 58 and one measure later? Love this cool Jazzy Rhythm... depends on the bass and the bassist. If the bass is bright on the A string, then 2nd finger on the F (2nd 8th note) on the A str, otherwise play it on the D str. Make sure the 3rd note is B natural. Thumb on D#. Then depending... either A - D (1 - thumb or 1 - 2) across the D & G strings then 2nd or 3rd finger on high E, or up the G string for the A- D then 2nd or 3rd finger of the E. It should be bright rhythmic and clear. The music dictates the technique.

    I highly recommend this piece as my favorite standard chamber music piece.
     
  3. MDEbass

    MDEbass Guest

    Dec 15, 2008
    Houston
    hmmm....i would do open D, 1st finger on the F (A string), 2 on the B (D string), 2 on E (G string), 4 on C (D string), D# with 1 on G (the rest on G), E with 2, G with thumb, A with 1, and the D natural with 3 (closed if you can cause it sounds better closed, but harmonic makes it easier)
     
  4. thedbassist

    thedbassist Guest

    Sep 10, 2006
    I've just been experimenting with some nifty fingerings and found that playing f with one on the a string, b with 2 on the d then shift to the e on the d string with 1 and c on the a string with 2 and use thumb for the d sharp, then go with 2 for g on the d string then shift thumb a half-step up to a and you play d and e with 2 then 3. Imo it lies pretty well on the bass and the d sharp becomes easier since the thumb is already in position. The only tricky thing is making sure the thumb shifts to an in tune a on the g string.

    Thanks for your advice Kurt, that was helpful to me figuring out my own fingering. I have a relatively bright a string so the f and c sound fine. One other question, is it common to start 58 on an upbow or should the accent fall on an upbow? Or is there something I'm missing?

    MDEbass, I think you might've forgot about the e at 59(unless you're from the dutch school where you might use 4 for the e) because you use three for d, and shifting from a sixteenth note during this piece is kind of cumbersome.
     
  5. hey cool. its so great talking about this and to think about it. great ideas guys... I will try your ideas out later as well. anyway I do 2 things myself. 1) I should be able to play the E upbow even with an accent. If not then its great practice. 2) I also sometimes take off the d# - e slur if i feel like adding clarity... like the begining of the measure. It also depends on the group... is the group sensitive to the bass part or do I have to pummel? music for me is personal and should be adaptable to the performance which includes the hall, audience, and musicians... the environment.

    happy new year!
     
  6. davidzgeorge

    davidzgeorge Guest

    Sep 18, 2007
    Beltsville, MD
    i'm also working on this excerpt for NOI. i start the entire excerpt up-bow so i finish down on the top E. i play open D, 1 on the a string for the F, 2 on B on the d string, 2 on e across on the g string, 4 on the c, 1 on d#, 2 on e, then i play thumb on the g and 2 on the a, then shift up to 1 for the D and end with 3 on the high E. i like getting to 1 on the high D as opposed to 2 because it's easier to nail that wholestep to the E with 1-3 than 2-3. i also use 2-1 for the A-D because at that tempo, i didn't think it was wise to shift from 1 to 1.
     
  7. thedbassist

    thedbassist Guest

    Sep 10, 2006
    Some changes I've made recently, instead of using four for the b natural I use 2 and 1 for the f, which I find to be more comfortable to shift up the E from since it feels stronger than my fourth finger. I also play the g with 3 instead of 2.
     
  8. Andrew Grandahl

    Andrew Grandahl Guest

    Sep 11, 2007
    Boston
    That's what I'm doing too. Good luck with your audition, hopefully we'll see each other this summer.
     
  9. davidzgeorge

    davidzgeorge Guest

    Sep 18, 2007
    Beltsville, MD
    thanks man, i actually had my audition last weekend and it went really well, except i sort of squawked on the high E! i ended up changing my fingering and bowing. mr. bradetich suggested starting down bow, then doing a hooked down bow on the B and E. it worked well. good luck to you as well, i think you're auditions are this weekend?