Proper Termonology for drums being behind the beat

[adamaarts]

Ive been loving tracks like this where the drums are behind the beat (and the bass as well) and so I've been looking for drum loops and other tracks to jam to but can't quite figure out the proper term for it to be able to actually search it. Any insight on this?

NSFW also -

 

[Stumbo]

syncopation
noun
syn·co·pa·tion | \ ˌsiŋ-kə-ˈpā-shən,

ˌsin-\
Definition of syncopation
1
: a temporary displacement of the regular metrical accent in music caused typically by stressing the weak beat

 

[dreamadream99]

Questlove calls it "drunk drumming" or "Dilla Feel".

 

[adamaarts]

Questlove calls it "drunk drumming" or "Dilla Feel".

There's a term that's bringing results. Thanks!

I remember when I first heard beats like this years ago I thought it was dumb and really wanted beats to be tight and on beat. But now with Anderson Paak and others doing these super groovy things with it I just can't get enough

 

[SharkSandwich]

If you were to take the vocal track out the music is on the beat (click ). It is the rhythm of the vocals that give the piece its disjointed feel. At first listen it sounds polyrhythmic to me. ( the pulse of one meter within another For example 6/8 in 4/4 or 5/16 in 4/4. Then depending on pharasing both will resolve. Another way can be when the time of one meter is played against another as in one part playing in 3/4 while another section is playing in 4/4 for example.

What you are hearing is a rhythmic illusion of sorts.

If you are interested in learing more about polyrhythms I suggest looking up videos by Gavin Harrison. He has a drum book and video called "rhythmic illusions".

 

[Spin Doctor]

Questlove calls it "drunk drumming" or "Dilla Feel".

The right answer...

 

[BassChuck]

If the drums and bass are 'behind the beat' wouldn't it be proper to say that everyone else was early?

 

[Groove Master]

Paak is actually playing right on except that he pushes his backbeats just ahead of the 2&4 making the whole track feel sloppy or laid back but it is an illusion ;-)

 

[Spin Doctor]

I remember when I first heard beats like this years ago I thought it was dumb and really wanted beats to be tight and on beat.

People become addicted to the same stuff and always expect it. Funk has had the same sound for 45 years, especially slap. When I see Australian chicks in hippie hats busking slap on street corners, I'm ready to leave that stuff behind. New music doesn't have any of that going on.

 

[mambo4]

recent thread about this

 

[Whousedtoplay]

I've started calling it "d'angelizing" groove, after D'Angelo's, Voodoo.
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"D'Angelo and his supporting personnel constructed several of the songs' grooves for the album to sit far behind time, directly on top of time, or pressing on the time, making them cluttered and loose in style.Invalid Link Removed Questlove helped design the sparse funk, soul and hip hop beats on the generally groove-based record...

One of the characteristics of the drumming style implemented in recording the album is its adherence to human timing, as the tracks were mostly programmed mechanically during recording, therefore resulting in the album's intentional sloppiness.[39] In a later interview, Questlove discussed the intention and purpose of including imperfection in the album's sound, stating "we wanted to play as perfectly as we could, but then deliberately insert the little glitch that makes it sound messed up. The idea was to sound disciplined, but with a total human feel...
And when we did a song for D'Angelo's record that Lenny Kravitz was supposed to play on, Lenny said, 'I can't play with this — there's a discrepancy in the drum pattern.' And we're like, 'It's supposed to be this way!"

 

[JeffJ2112]

Paak is actually playing right on except that he pushes his backbeats just ahead of the 2&4 making the whole track feel sloppy or laid back but it is an illusion ;-)

Gives it that "tight but loose" vibe.

 

[Rev J]

I actually started a thread about this called "Different types of Swing."

C/S,
Rev J

 

[Pacman]

If the drums and bass are 'behind the beat' wouldn't it be proper to say that everyone else was early?

Not in the least.