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Pythons in Florida

I'm pretty sure Florida already has lots of eagles and hawks. The problem is that no bird is going to take out a 50-150 lb. snake. That just too big for a bird that is maybe 10 or 15 lbs. at best itself.

Oh I know they wouldn't be able to take down a 50-150 lb. snake, I was thinking more for the smaller snakes and juveniles.

I live in a quasi rural area and frequent nature parks quite a bit. I don't see too many birds of prey like hawks and eagles flying around, though I know we do have them. I mostly see doves, pigeons, finches, and lots of cranes. The cranes are water birds that live in the low lying and swampy areas. They also eat snakes. Im sure the everglades has them too, but perhaps some relocation of these types of birds to areas dense in snakes would help. It might not help much but even a little help is good.
 
Oh I know they wouldn't be able to take down a 50-150 lb. snake, I was thinking more for the smaller snakes and juveniles.

I live in a quasi rural area and frequent nature parks quite a bit. I don't see too many birds of prey like hawks and eagles flying around, though I know we do have them. I mostly see doves, pigeons, finches, and lots of cranes. The cranes are water birds that live in the low lying and swampy areas. They also eat snakes. Im sure the everglades has them too, but perhaps some relocation of these types of birds to areas dense in snakes would help. It might not help much but even a little help is good.

That's suprising that you don't see more birds of prey. Over here in the Mississippi River Valley, we have hawks for days, and in the winter, we have lots of bald eagles too.:)

I have seen hawks flying over with decent sized (3-5 ft.) snakes here.
 
I dig animals, but have no problem killing the ones that pose a threat to me and my loved ones. If I started seeing them here in NE Fla (Jacksonville) I'm going to shoot, stab, chop, club and ask questions later. :D


Snakes aren't a threat to you and your loved ones. They don't go around intentionally saying "Im gonna make Bogsters day a living Hell." Other than the rare eaten baby from the idiot that doesn't properly secure the python pen, Snake bites stem from one of 3 ways. 1. Someone trying to pick up and handle the snake, 2. those that try to kill it, 3. when someone accidentally stumbles across and startles the snake. All of those are defensive bites and you cannot fault the snake for protecting itself with the only means it has, its mouth.

If you're not good at identifying snakes then the best thing to do when you see any snake is simply leave it alone and let it go about its business. If you are absolutely positive it's a venomous snake or a python, then simply call animal control and they will dispatch someone to trap the snake.

Most people kill snakes on sight because they automatically assume it's venomous. Here in Florida we have at least 45 different species of snakes. Out of these 45 species, only 6 are venomous. They are the Copperhead, Cottonmouth, Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake, Timber Rattlesnake, Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnake, and the Eastern Coral Snake.

As you can see if you do run into a snake the odds are actually in your favor that it is actually a non-venomous species. Learn how to identify the venomous ones and you will never have to kill a snake out of fear again.

Just some brief info on the 6 venomous ones if anyone really gives a crap.

Copperhead - this snake occurs only in the panhandle, primarily along the Apalachicola River and its tributaries, and then in the western tip of the panhandle. The FLMNH has specimens in its collections from Jackson, Liberty, Gadsden, Calhoun, Gulf, and Escambia counties.

Copperhead bites are extremely painful but usually are not life-threatening for healthy adults. They can be dangerous to children or older citizens in poor health

Cottonmouth - Found throughout Florida. The species extends north to Virginia and west to Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas. Cottonmouths can be found along streams, springs, rivers, lakes, ponds, marshes, swamps, sloughs, reservoirs, retention pools, canals, and roadside ditches. It occasionally wanders far from water, and has been found in bushes and trees. Though the Cottonmouth occurs throughout the state, it is not as abundant as the many species of harmless watersnakes that occur in much the same habitat.

Eastern Diamondback - found throughout the state of Florida, including several offshore islands and keys. Diamondbacks are often found in pine flatwoods, longleaf pine and turkey oak, and sand pine scrub areas. These habitats contain palmetto thickets and gopher tortoise burrows in which the Diamondback may seek refuge. It can strike up to 2/3 its body length; a 6-foot specimen can strike 4 feet. Does not always rattle before striking.

Timber Rattlesnake - Found in only 8 or 9 counties in north Florida. It ranges as far south as Alachua and Dixie Counties and as far west as Hamilton and Suwannee Counties. They prefer low bottom lands where it is fairly damp, river beds, hammocks pine flatwoods, swamps, and cane thickets.

Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnake - Found throughout the state of Florida. Common in lowland pine flatwoods, prairies, around lakes and ponds, and along the borders of many freshwater marshes and cypress swamps. Possibly the habitat in which Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnakes are most frequently encountered, at least in south Florida, is the banks of canals running through marshes and prairies. It has a reputation for being very aggressive. Its bite, is not usually not life threatening but is extremely painful and can result in the loss of a digit.

Eastern Coral Snake - Coral Snakes occur throughout the entire state including the northern keys. The Coral Snake is a relative of the cobras, people believe its bite nearly always is fatal. While its bite is serious and should receive immediate medical attention, statistics suggest that the bite of the Coral Snake is less threatening than the bite of a Diamondback Rattlesnake.

Now you have some basic idea of their range and habitat within the state of Florida. Again, learn to identify them and you shall never have to arbitrarily kill another snake. You might even be inclined to pick one up after you get good at identification. They really are amazing and beautiful animals.
 
I've read of this in problem. It's a pretty sad story considering the local fauna and obviously the level of commitment amongst snake keepers. I know it's hard to find new housing for large snakes, especially the common species like burmese python. The people buying these animals should always understand that when they get one, they're going to have it for decades. When a person can't keep one anymore and can't find a new owner for the snake, sadly, the right thing to do is to put the snake down. As a snake keeper myself I'd find that really hard to do, but releasing it to the nature is really irresponsible and stupid, just an easy (and the wrong) way out of a nasty situation. If someone has the guts to let go of a pet, then they should have the guts to do it the right way.

It's also quite funny that these pythons are still bred in large numbers for pet sale.
 
Here's a bunch of useless information that most will probably not care about.

Here in Florida we have at least 45 different species of snakes. Out of these 45 species, only 6 are venomous. They are the Copperhead, Cottonmouth, Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake, Timber Rattlesnake, Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnake, and the Eastern Coral Snake.

Native non-venomous species in Florida are pretty easy to tell from venomous ones. Other than the coral snake, all of the venomous snakes of FL have a triangular shaped head (the head is obvious rather than blending in with the neck) and tend to have a rather flat or "semi-gloss" appearance to them. Their scales are "keeled", meaning they have a raised ridge running down the middle of each scale and this keeps them from appearing shiny like many non-venomous snakes and coral snakes.

Coral snakes have a red (or bright orange), yellow (or white) and black pattern to them, and stubby head and a glossy appearance. Coral snakes' coloration has the red bands touching the yellow bands, and they're the only US snake like that. The non-venomous snakes that are similarly colored have the red and yellow bands separated by a black band. There's a rhyme for it:

Red touches yellow
Will kill a fellow.
Red touches black
Venom lack.


Just some brief info on the 6 venomous ones if anyone really gives a crap.

Copperhead - this snake occurs only in the panhandle, primarily along the Apalachicola River and its tributaries, and then in the western tip of the panhandle. The FLMNH has specimens in its collections from Jackson, Liberty, Gadsden, Calhoun, Gulf, and Escambia counties.

Copperhead bites are extremely painful but usually are not life-threatening for healthy adults. They can be dangerous to children or older citizens in poor health

Copperheads are small, usually under two feet, and the copperheads in Florida usually have a background color like the color of baby aspirin, kind of a pinkish orange. They're a very pretty snake really, and have copperish, or maroon bands mottled with white the length of their body. These are my favorite venomous snakes. Pretty mellow little critters for the most part.

I've been bitten by one of these, a Trans-Pecos copperhead from just outside San Antonio, TX that someone had gassed out of a den. It was nearly dead and I was trying to force feed it in an attempt to keep it alive when I was bumped in the shoulder and looked away for a split second. I was holding the snake's head in my left hand and he sunk one fang in my finger.

At first it felt a lot like a wasp sting, probably for the first half hour or so, and then the swelling got a bit worse and my hand looked like a blown up balloon. After about four hours I didn't want to move and really, if I'd dropped dead right then I probably would have been thankful. I once had a bad case of food poisoning and the copperhead bite four hours later was very much like that.

By the next morning I, as a whole, felt much better but the left arm was useless. Here's a good description of what my arm felt like when I would let it hang limply at my side: Think of a piece of chicken, a drumstick, that's been boiled. You know how the meat just slides right off the bone? My arm, when I would hold it at my side, felt as if the muscles would slide right off the bone had it not been for my skin holding it on.

The next morning the swelling had gone down quite a bit and by a day or so later you would never have known I'd been bitten.

Cottonmouth - Found throughout Florida. The species extends north to Virginia and west to Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas. Cottonmouths can be found along streams, springs, rivers, lakes, ponds, marshes, swamps, sloughs, reservoirs, retention pools, canals, and roadside ditches. It occasionally wanders far from water, and has been found in bushes and trees. Though the Cottonmouth occurs throughout the state, it is not as abundant as the many species of harmless watersnakes that occur in much the same habitat.

These guys are pretty nasty. They won't hunt you down, but they won't back down either. Probably the most aggressive venomous snake in North America. Their defense posture is to kick their head back and open their mouth wide, showing you the fangs and the white interior of their mouth. It's pretty obvious where they get the name from, and this is the same snake some locales refer to as the water moccasin. Older ones are almost always a dull black, maybe with a little brown on the sides while younger ones have a defined pattern in several shades of brown.

Eastern Diamondback - found throughout the state of Florida, including several offshore islands and keys. Diamondbacks are often found in pine flatwoods, longleaf pine and turkey oak, and sand pine scrub areas. These habitats contain palmetto thickets and gopher tortoise burrows in which the Diamondback may seek refuge. It can strike up to 2/3 its body length; a 6-foot specimen can strike 4 feet. Does not always rattle before striking.

This is the one in the pictures I posted earlier. They get big and are pretty heavy bodied, but aren't particularly aggressive unless you corner them.

When I lived in South Carolina a friend of mine and I were out snake hunting when we came across several teens beating a Diamondback with sticks. The snake was fighting back so we ran over to try and get the kids to back off before one of them was bitten. Just as we were coming up on them, one of the kids pushed his stick underneath the snake and then flicked it into the air....It landed on my arm and its head slammed into my leg. Instead of one of these idiots getting bitten, I did. Pissed me the ____ off.

That was worse than the copperhead bite. Rather than one night of agony it was several days but I was still pretty lucky in that he didn't get a good bite. I didn't lose any tissue in the leg, thank God.

Timber Rattlesnake - Found in only 8 or 9 counties in north Florida. It ranges as far south as Alachua and Dixie Counties and as far west as Hamilton and Suwannee Counties. They prefer low bottom lands where it is fairly damp, river beds, hammocks pine flatwoods, swamps, and cane thickets.

These are somewhat secretive and rather rare these days. Often darker than the Diamondback, and smaller as well with more of a banded pattern. Here's a picture of one that shows how distinct the head is from the body, and also shows the keeled scales I mentioned earlier:

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And here's one from Oklahoma. I'm not the one in the picture.

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Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnake - Found throughout the state of Florida. Common in lowland pine flatwoods, prairies, around lakes and ponds, and along the borders of many freshwater marshes and cypress swamps. Possibly the habitat in which Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnakes are most frequently encountered, at least in south Florida, is the banks of canals running through marshes and prairies. It has a reputation for being very aggressive. Its bite, is not usually not life threatening but is extremely painful and can result in the loss of a digit.

These guys are small, and the rattle is even smaller. It might be better described as a button than a rattle. They have the reputation for being aggressive because they're secretive. Usually the only time you see them is if you turn over a rock or a log and scare the bejesus out of them.

They're usually around 18" as adults, some get up to two feet and very rarely 2 1/2 feet. VERY rarely. They have the triangular head, but not as obvious as on their larger cousins, a grey to pinkish grey body color and a blotched pattern.

Eastern Coral Snake - Coral Snakes occur throughout the entire state including the northern keys. The Coral Snake is a relative of the cobras, people believe its bite nearly always is fatal. While its bite is serious and should receive immediate medical attention, statistics suggest that the bite of the Coral Snake is less threatening than the bite of a Diamondback Rattlesnake.

Not very often seen, these snakes are very secretive, even more so than the Pygmies. They're not really aggressive either, at least in my experience. They'd much rather try to get away than fight. Most snakes will prefer to run than fight, but the coral snake, every time I've come across one, always makes a quick trip to the nearest cover. I can't recall ever seeing one strike.

Anyway, sorry for the novella, just thought I'd toss the useless information out there. Been sitting here waiting on a phone call for the last half hour and I'm bored to tears.
 
I just heard that on the news this morning. I'm really amazed that all of these snakes have bred this fast.

What about the rattlesnake population? :p (Taken near Orlando by an FPL employee)

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wow, thats crazy. this is exactly why I tell my daughter and her friends not to play around the drainage pipes.
those canebrake rattlesnakes can be evil, they blend right into the pinestraw but at least you can sort of spot those, pygmy rattlers are the worse, tiny and rally aggressive.

can't say I've seen any pythons around, except for "monty" my ball python in my living room and he doesn't do anything except for sleep under his towel in his tank and come out to eat now and then.
 
Anyway, sorry for the novella, just thought I'd toss the useless information out there. Been sitting here waiting on a phone call for the last half hour and I'm bored to tears.

Thats partially what made me post about the 6 species, boredom. Though I wouldn't say your post is useless info. Its good to know about the critters that live in your areas.

One other interesting fact on the Eastern Diamondback is that its strike is extremely fast. I've heard on several tv shows that it can strike and be recoiled to strike again before you even know you were bit. That's pretty fast because neurotransmitters in the body travel at a speed of approximately 226 mph.
 
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Most snakes are fast like that. I have some pictures in one of my albums (non-digital, paper prints) from long ago. We took an Eastern Diamondback rattlesnake and blindfolded him with a little hood over his head, then took a small light bulb and socket and put it inside of a balloon, then blew up the balloon and suspended it about two feet above the ground. The intent was to use high speed photography to capture the strike and recoil of the snake and also to see how accurate his heat sensors were.

Once the balloon was warmed up a little bit we rolled the snake out onto the ground. He was pretty disoriented and on the defensive (he couldn't see because of the hood) so he was quick to go for the balloon. The pictures were great! One of them showed his fangs pushing in the balloon before puncturing it, then a quick bite, then he pulled away.

He was fully retracted before the balloon even finished popping.
 
From our local paper (rag).

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They're having a field day scaring the public. They used the Orlando child that was killed by a pet snake as a tie-in to the menace of the pythons in the Everglades. One has nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop them.

Do you really find it unreasonable to believe that these could possibly end up in someones home, yard, and end up killing a dog, cat, or child?

Personally, while I am a big animal person....I hate snakes. They have their place yes....in their own environment and habitat. The problem is caused by irresponsible freaking morons, and I don't see how wanting to extinguish the problem is taken as fear mongering by the media.
 
Oh they'll get some dogs and cats for sure, 'cause the gators already do regularly. I imagine if there are as many as they're estimating, a kid won't be long either. There are tons of housing developments built that literally back right up to the everglades.
 
Do you really find it unreasonable to believe that these could possibly end up in someones home, yard, and end up killing a dog, cat, or child?

Not at all unreasonable and I'm sure they will wind up in peoples back yards, just in the same way alligators sometimes do. I'm sure a few will even wind up inside someones home but that'll more than likely occur when some idiot leaves their doors or windows wide open. Based on my knowledge of snakes I think its unlikely that many a child will be killed by the snakes. I'm positive a hungry enough one would attack a child but then again, what animal wouldn't? When this happens which it inevitably will, the media will pounce all over it and make the problem out to be much worse than it really is.

Hell, there have been stories about people in the garden centers at places like Walmart getting bitten by pygmy rattlers and when the media was telling the story they made it sound like it was an everyday occurrence when in reality it doesn't happen that often.

Personally, while I am a big animal person....I hate snakes. They have their place yes....in their own environment and habitat. The problem is caused by irresponsible freaking morons, and I don't see how wanting to extinguish the problem is taken as fear mongering by the media.

Fear creates sensationalism, sensationalism sells newspapers and gets people to watch their news networks, doing that increases their profit margins.
 
Totally off the subject now, but fear mongering can be productive as well though. Had it not been for all the media sensationalism and fretting over the Soviet Union's beating us into space and "what, heaven forbid, are they doing up there?", we, the US, may never have landed a person on the moon.
 
I have to agree that the fear mongering is baseless. Although a large python is a dangerous animal, frankly I would be much more concerned about untrained domestic dogs than big snakes if I lived in Florida.

Unlike the movies, real reptiles are "lurk and lurch" predators. They are not going to speedily chase down prey. They also have low metabolisms, and are not going to eat that often. A python will spend more time chilling (warming:cool:) in the sun than anything else.;)
 
As a Florida resident I can assure you, when the time comes, they will open a hunting season on pythons and within 6 months 50% of them will be on their way to the nearest boot factory.

That's pure swamp gold right there.

YeHAW! Looky here Bubba! Come get ya some!

I think this will happen. They've done the same all across the US with invasive species. Nutria are so bad that there are often bounties on them. Wild boar in the Sierra foothills are open all season and you can use any weapon. They really need to ease up deer restrictions in the mid Atlantic as well.
 
I hate snakes. If I saw a huge python in my backyard, doubtful, I'd probably freak out like a little girl. That said, we have to shoot water moccasins in the lake behind the house every year. If I saw a python, I'd go grab the Street Sweeper. No joke, that **** may be illegal, but I'd go to town on a snake with it.
 
Interesting that an FPL employee found a den of Western Diamondback rattlesnakes near Orlando. Major discovery there since the species is limited to the western states and northern Mexico.

I've had that same picture sent to me in probably 25 emails, claiming to have been taken everywhere from Canada to Washington state to New York.

It wasn't.

Sorry about that. I actually received that from an FPL employee several years ago, so I didn't question it. Interesting picture nevertheless.
 
I have to agree that the fear mongering is baseless. Although a large python is a dangerous animal, frankly I would be much more concerned about untrained domestic dogs than big snakes if I lived in Florida.

Unlike the movies, real reptiles are "lurk and lurch" predators. They are not going to speedily chase down prey. They also have low metabolisms, and are not going to eat that often. A python will spend more time chilling (warming:cool:) in the sun than anything else.;)

Do you really think if hoards of toothless morons were dumping off pit bulls and they were reproducing at an extreme rate taking over the wild kingdom that we wouldn't be having this same discussion? Actually, we probably wouldn't....they'd already be extinguished by now.

In the same light, it would be idiotic, irresponsible owners who are the cause of the problem.