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QSC PLX2402 can it run 2.6 ohms in stereo?

I currently run 1 side for subs @ 2 ohms and on side for mains at 4 ohms. I got another pair of 8 ohm subs and am thinking of of moving the mains to a different amp.

If I run 1 4 ohm and 1 8 ohm sub on each side I will get 2.667 ohms...will the amp be stable ?

Should I just run the 8 ohms in parallel and make a 4 ohm load and adjust the volumn to match as center fills.
 
I currently run 1 side for subs @ 2 ohms and on side for mains at 4 ohms. I got another pair of 8 ohm subs and am thinking of of moving the mains to a different amp.

If I run 1 4 ohm and 1 8 ohm sub on each side I will get 2.667 ohms...will the amp be stable ?

Should I just run the 8 ohms in parallel and make a 4 ohm load and adjust the volumn to match as center fills.

If you google the PLX series amps, you will find the specs, and it does show that the amp is stable down to 2 ohms. 2.6 ohms is higher than 2 ohms, which means you are fine.

Are you taking real ohm readings or are you doing your math on paper? It's not the same thing. Your real ohm reading is measured at the speaker cable before it gets plugged into the amp. Go to Radio Shack or buy from your local home center/hardware store, a cheap electrical volt meter, they run as little as $20 to $30. You must have one of these in your tool bag to be able to properly measure power outlets and trouble shoot shorted wires anyway.

Touch the volt meter leads to the + and - leads on your speaker cable right before it gets plugged into the amp. Have your meter set to the little OHM sign. That will tell you what load you are putting on your amp. If it is 2 ohm or higher, up to say 16-18 ohms, your QSC will run fine in bridge, or dual (stereo) mode.
 
If your amp is running fine at 2 ohms on one side and 4 ohms on the other, I'd think it should run just as well at 2.67 ohms per side.

I'm reading "as center fills" to mean you're seperating your subs instead of clustering them. If so, this is not a good idea unless they are 30 or 40 feet apart according to most things I've read.
 
Are you taking real ohm readings or are you doing your math on paper? It's not the same thing. Your real ohm reading is measured at the speaker cable before it gets plugged into the amp. Go to Radio Shack or buy from your local home center/hardware store, a cheap electrical volt meter, they run as little as $20 to $30. You must have one of these in your tool bag to be able to properly measure power outlets and trouble shoot shorted wires anyway.

Touch the volt meter leads to the + and - leads on your speaker cable right before it gets plugged into the amp. Have your meter set to the little OHM sign. That will tell you what load you are putting on your amp. If it is 2 ohm or higher, up to say 16-18 ohms, your QSC will run fine in bridge, or dual (stereo) mode.

This will only measure the DC resistance, not the impedence. Resistance will usually be lower than impedence.
 
Hi.

If I run 1 4 ohm and 1 8 ohm sub on each side I will get 2.667 ohms...will the amp be stable ?

Yes, but You'll have a hard time balancing the subs.

Unless of course if You're aiming for directivity, and even that would be easier with running the similar cabs on separate sides of the amp.

If You don't mind me asking, is this scenario for a particular goal, or is it just for "I gotta use all the cabs I have in order to look cool"

Regards
Sam
 
This will only measure the DC resistance, not the impedence. Resistance will usually be lower than impedence.

I also have the advantage of owning a TOA impedance meter, the industry standard in the pro audio world and my little cheesy volt meter when used in the ohm setting is usually within an acceptable range. I only use my fluke or my cheesy shack meter when I happen to leave my TOA at home by accident.

Or did you not get that I have the speaker cable plugged into the speaker but not the amp and am taking my reading of the speaker circuit with the cable included??

The proper way to know the complete impedance of a loudspeaker is to consider the resistance load from the cable added into the equation. It does affect the overall load.

But I'm not saying I can't learn something here, what am I missing in your book?
 
I would think that unless you're using extremely long speaker cables or very thin conductors, the DC resistance of the cable is insignificant. 100 feet of 12 guage wire has a resistance of less than .16 ohms. Double that to just over 1/3 ohm for the two conductors in speaker cable. Typical speaker cables are no where near 100 feet long, making the cable resistance pretty much a nonfactor.

I'm still learning about this stuff, myself, so I have a few questions:
Since the impedence of a driver changes with frequency, at what frequency does your impedence meter measure impedence? Or does it sweep a range of frequencies? Can it measure the impedence of the air in the cabinet? (It's my understanding that, when loaded with the same driver, a horn loaded cab will have a higher impedence than a ported cab.)
 
As other have stated, your amp is fine @ 2.67 ohms.

At the risk of plagiarizing myself, I'm repeating below (with slight edits) my advice to two previous posters, since you've mentioned piling up your 4- and 8-ohm subs on each side:

A couple of suggestions: (1) If you're currently using your mains on stands, keep doing so rather than setting them on top of your subs. Running a sub on each side invites "power alley" (excessive bottom in some parts of the room, and none in others, due to overlapping sound waves). Instead, try to couple** them (stacked or side-by-side), centered in front of the stage (some folks even use this as a stage extension of sorts, putting the lead singer's wedge on the subs if the stage is the same height as the subs). If centering them is not an option, coupling them on one side still gives better results than having one per side. (2) Try to keep your crossover setting around 90-100Hz if possible, especially if your subs are on one side. If you go much higher than 100 Hz the subs' location becomes sonically apparent.

** In simple terms, coupling subs allows them to work together, so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts (so to speak). IOW, two properly coupled subs can give you several more dB than the same cabinets will when they're apart.

Do NOT use different subs, even if they're by the same manufacturer! You'll get into all kinds of weird issues with combing, etc., when you mismatch subs. Using piles of different sub cabinets can actually sound worse, and give you less bottom end, than having 2 or 4 strategically located identical subs properly coupled. Even having mismatched drivers in otherwise-identical cabinets can cause problems.

In summary: Don't!!! mix subs, and avoid having them on each side if possible. Cheers!
 
I would think that unless you're using extremely long speaker cables or very thin conductors, the DC resistance of the cable is insignificant. 100 feet of 12 guage wire has a resistance of less than .16 ohms. Double that to just over 1/3 ohm for the two conductors in speaker cable. Typical speaker cables are no where near 100 feet long, making the cable resistance pretty much a nonfactor.

I'm still learning about this stuff, myself, so I have a few questions:
Since the impedence of a driver changes with frequency, at what frequency does your impedence meter measure impedence? Or does it sweep a range of frequencies? Can it measure the impedence of the air in the cabinet? (It's my understanding that, when loaded with the same driver, a horn loaded cab will have a higher impedence than a ported cab.)

When I measure a "speaker line", from a band stage perspective, you are correct, the resistance is minimal, but it gives you a true accurate reading of the speaker and it's impedance load. For instance, his two subs in series might weigh out at the cabinets as being 4.6 ohms or so each, rarely does a speaker ring out at its "rating", usually they are a tad off, over or under, if you are within a an ohm or so, you're usually more than fine. Measuring the impedance also identifies shorts in the line, or opens, telling you that you have a bad cable or it might help you identify a bad crossover or driver. Or if one box reads 4.X ohm and the other one reads 3.2 ohms. You're getting the load on the amp to be a bit more precarious, might cause it to overheat or fail if you run it too hard too long. Older amps with 2ohm ratings can usually handle the impedance mismatches much better than newer amps which have sacrificed construction for price. The PLX is a great amp and could handle it.

Since I do pro sound for a living, I am looking at cable runs of 100-400 feet, the resistance does start to affect it, but again usually if all is good, no big deal. You might have to drive your amp a bit harder. But it also lets me see if an 8ohm box I have 100 ft. away is running at 6 ohms or so (this happens often due to internal crossover networks) and another identical box on a delay line is ringing out at 4 or 5 ohms, that there might be an issue with either the drivers in the box, the integrity of the cable, or possibly the crossover network in that box.

Of course, I understand if you are using it to identify shorts or opens, you could just as simply toss another speaker cord in line and toss the old one in the "don't work" bottom of a cable bin. But to truly know your load in an iffy amp situation as suggested, it's really a good idea to know what you're doing to the electronics...because they could lead you to blow a box too.

I appreciate the idea that you should never mix subs, you'll certainly never get two different models or brands to sound alike if that's the goal. But I have brought in additional subs for a few outdoor shows and it was a better than nothing idea that was ...better than nothing.