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Quilter BB800- Disappointment

I wasn't confounded with my SWR, I know how EQ works... it's just that it sounded so bad flat with most of my basses I didn't want to have to show up early to try and "fix it" on most gigs or grin and bear it. Sounded fine with my passive Fender Jazz. I fixed it for good when I bought my AMP BH-420.
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I wasn’t saying you were confounded by your SWR. I was simply replying to the other fella and that knowing the amp a little before the gig can make on the fly adjustments less intimidating. That’s it.
 
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I wasn’t saying you were confounded by your SWR. I was simply replying to the other fella and that knowing the amp a little before the gig can make on the fly adjustments less intimidating. That’s it.

You said you'd never been so confounded that you couldn't fix it with a quick tweak live... I mentioned that I wasn't confounded by the amp I mentioned, I know how to tweak EQ but for me there was a larger problem. I really hated the dull lifeless sound of it and there are some things EQ can't fix.

You quoted me so I thought that was relevant.
 
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You said you'd never been so confounded that you couldn't fix it with a quick tweak live... I mentioned that I wasn't confounded by the amp I mentioned, I know how to tweak EQ but for me there was a larger problem. I really hated the dull lifeless sound of it and there are some things EQ can't fix.

You quoted me so I thought that was relevant.

You brought me into this first but thank you so much for your knowledge bombs. I don’t know how I’ve made it this far. I think I know what I need to do now. Where’s that button...
 
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You brought me into this first but thank you so much for your knowledge bombs. I don’t know how I’ve made it this far. I think I know what I need to do now. Where’s that button...

Now you have me wondering the same thing :D. I thought I explained myself plainly... working out your live tone PRIOR to playing live can be much easier said than done. You seem to have taken offense to that. Cool... give that button a nice solid push... for both of us.
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... working out your live tone PRIOR to playing live can be much easier said than done.
I could "master" an intricate EQ configuration as best I could in a practice space and it wouldn't help me much on a gig. It'd be about as useful as preparing for 25 race laps at Laguna Seca by taking the ol' 911 GT2 RS for a spin around the neighborhood.
 
Exactly my point. I know people who seem to like showing up early to get the EQ just right for their A string. And I know folks who try to get their pretty bedroom tone to work in a new venue.

After decades of live performance I've come to appreciate not spending my time fixing something I'm not happy with. I show up and play. Highly underrated ability. And when I can switch between two dissimilar basses without tweaks, yay. It really messes with some folks head to hear my Jamerson and Marcus tone come from the same amp setup/setting...

and bass.
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I bought a Quilter Bass Block 800 to pair with my Markbass 12" cabinet.

I tried to get a good sound out of this setup and could not. The sounds I got were "THUMPY, Hollow and rubbery".

It only has 4 knobs and I tried all kinds of settings. The only sound that was even partially close to what I wanted (which was the sound you hear in their own demos with their cabs) was maxxing the Gain out. (yes I was plugged into the Passive input BTW), not my first rodeo)

I was running a Lakland DJ4 bass, which sounds great through my Hartke KB12.

I guess I was expecting the great tones you hear in the demo where it is running with their Quilter 12" cabs, to really here my Laklands tone sing out. But it sounded NOTHING like that. It sounded like the cheapest combo amp you could buy. Oh well. YMMV. Guess you got to buy their cab to get the good sounds.

Although there is a Passive and Active input on most bass amps today, I still use the Passive with my active basses. You lose a lot of definition and detail using the "active" which cuts not only volume but tone nuances. You might try that, but be judicious in your use of gain. Good luck.
 
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Although there is a Passive and Active input on most bass amps today, I still use the Passive with my active basses. You lose a lot of definition and detail using the "active" which cuts not only volume but tone nuances. You might try that, but be judicious in your use of gain. Good luck.

Can not be stated often enough. Excellent point.
 
The Quilter doesn't flinch when it comes to dynamics. The trick is not dialing the amp back and therefore limiting them. Once you figure out how to knock down small children it becomes a matter of controlling that, so you can make them slip and slide or merely stumble*. My loudest gigs my gain and master aren't past 1 o'clock... typically below 12 o'clock.

The power is there, if you have a capable cab and embrace it, it's a very good thing. Kick drum dynamics is no problem.

*no child has ever been harmed on one my gigs. Mildly traumatized, maybe.;)
 
Can not be stated often enough. Excellent point.
And to emphasize just as often, not at all true on some designs. This includes every preamp I have designed over the last 20 years, the active/passive switch does not change the input impedance but only scales the gain control by between 9 & 12 dB. I have also designed preamps without an active/passive switch, keeping the scaling on a single knob.
 
My perception of the input pad on bass amps is also that they typically rob my sound of some subtle harmonic dimension. Part of me wants to believe it's all due to how we hear not being linear. But having listened to both padded and unpadded sounds at similar loudness with several amps I can't completely sell that explanation to myself.

Having two holes on the front of the amp marked "Active" and "Passive" seems like a pretty dumbed down solution that I've always found mildly insulting. First, if you are going to do a pad just tell us how many dB the pad is and we can decide which hole we wanna stick it in. And hey, on an amp with an input gain and a master why the hell should I ever need a pad with a bass guitar active or not? If it's to pad the line out to a console why not treat us like big boys and girls and use an adjustable level control for the line out?
 
On some amps it's not really a pad, just changes the scaling of the gain control. That's why is doesn't change the tone.

There are amps, including some legacy Mesa amps, that actually change the input sensitivity by inserting a true pad that does lower the input impedance (by quite a bit) when the active input is selected. This method without a doubt will change the tone when using the active input on a passive bass and even some active ones.

When discussing this topic, it's really important to differentiate between the two different methods.
 
I think a fundamental point is to not assume you have to use a passive input with a passive bass and an active input with an active bass. See which one works best for you. In my case I go for the unpadded input unless I have a reason not to. On the Bugera Veyrons the passive input could easily be over driven but the pad was uneccessarily large. My one gripe with those amps.

One caveat is that on many of my basses I run Bartolini preamps with internal gain adjustments that I keep fairly high, maybe around +8 to +10dB. Some inputs can struggle with that... so I tend to use amps that don't.
 
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I know it’s been discussed on one of the Quilter threads ...

I’ve been running my TC polyTune2 tuner into the active input and the bass into the passive input. It works fine. I can’t really hear any tone or power loss but I think doing this puts a load on the amp. It’s hard to tell at bedroom levels. Any comments?
 
Anybody using The Quilter BB800 with MAS/ Big E speakers?
I have... briefly. Sort of.

I had an earlier BB800 with a defective component that caused the noise to ramp up to unusable levels after it was turned on -- this happened over a course of anywhere from 10 seconds to several minutes.* While I didn't get to gig it in the short while I had it, in messing around with it (in its well-behaved stretches) at home through my MAS 112, I found a lot to like and suspect that a properly working unit would be fun to play on a variety of gigs.

*I should note, again, that my head was an early one. Quilter Co. were responsive in communication (Pat Q. and an associate both responded to me and tried to help me troubleshoot the amp before I sent it back) and they have, as far as I know, long since tracked down and rectified the issue with the defective component (which was not an issue in the majority of early amps).

Overall, I liked the feel of the BB more than that of the Peavey Minimega and the Genzler Magellan I tried around the same time. Both of those amps were more open up top (which I liked) and had more versatile EQs than the Quilter (and the Peavey had more going on in the deep lows and the Genzler had probably the best slap tone), but the Peavey felt stiff by comparison and the Genzler (to me) felt compressed in its lowest register. The BB, as I recall it, felt nicely elastic and propulsive with a balanced response/feel through the registers of the instrument. Big but not bloated lows and, yeah, some "heft" (more than a lot of compact amps, but not as much as my favorite lead sleds).

Played back to back with a Shaw B-150 tube amp (150 Watts, four KT88s) and my GBE 1200, I did not feel that the BB800 had the same level of solidity and detail -- the Shaw, despite its tube power, felt and sounded more crisp, more detailed, and more articulate -- though I'm sure the Quilter would go louder -- but I did find the overall sound of the Quilter to be pleasant and fairly organic (harmonics spoke nicely without being zingy) and the overall feel to be more natural and "connected" than the majority of class D bass amps I've tried. I wouldn't characterize it as a super "quick" amp -- relative to the GBE 1200, it could get a little blurry in fast, staccato stuff -- but it was still nicely responsive. An easy amp to play, if that makes sense; for me, the feel encouraged a relaxed right hand technique (except when trying to play fast, sharply delineated lines at my limits -- the GBE was better for that).

If the BB's positive qualities held at gig volume (which, again, I didn't get to try), I think it would've worked well with my MAS 112. The EQ, while limited, I recall as being well-voiced -- add a presence knob or a well-voiced bright switch and I'd have been more than happy with it. As it was, I would've liked it a bit more open up top, but it was still a very usable gig sound with good mids. The feel was a hair looser than I prefer (possibly related to its having a lower damping factor than most SS bass heads); the flip-side of that is that it's probably the closest approximation, in terms of feel, to a tube amp that I've played in a compact, class D bass head -- nice, natural note-envelope and a feeling of connectedness to what you're playing.

Don't recall if I tried the DI.

Overall impression: Wouldn't replace my fave lead sleds or pre+power rigs and maybe not the best amp if you're looking for a very bright or open top end or a super-quick feel, but would be a great backup/easily portable head with a more natural feel than the majority of compact, class D bass amps I've played. If mine didn't have an issue, I'd likely have kept it. If they came out with a version with a bright switch/presence control or something similar -- especially if they revised the DI and included a selectable damping factor -- or just slightly tightened up the feel -- I'd very likely get one.

Seemed to match up well with my MAS 112 (which is solid in the lows but voiced pretty "lean and mean"). Not sure how it would match with a deeper, slightly looser, more "romantically" voiced cab like the 46 -- might be too much of a good thing for me (then again, I like things fairly tight and responsive -- might be just right for some). Again, I never got to gig the head.

Re. using the BB with Markbass cabs (per the OP), while I am no expert on them (I own a CMD 121P combo and have played a few of the others), they seem to me like they'd benefit from a fairly tight, controlled head -- not sure the BB800 would be a good match and I could see the combo being "rubbery" -- but that's a subjective impression involving some guesswork.

@Mike Arnopol has remarked favorably on the BB800 -- he'd probably be able to speak better to how it pairs with his cabs than I could.
 
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I have... briefly. Sort of.

I had an earlier BB800 with a defective component that caused the noise levels to ramp up to unusable levels after it was turned on -- this happened over a course of anywhere from 10 seconds to several minutes.* While I didn't get to gig it in the short while I had it, in messing around with it (in its well-behaved stretches) at home through my MAS 112, I found a lot to like and suspect that a properly working unit would be fun to play on a variety of gigs.

*I should note, again, that my head was an early one. Quilter Co. were responsive in communication (Pat Q. and an associate both responded to me and tried to help me troubleshoot the amp before I sent it back) and they have, as far as I know, long since tracked down and rectified the issue with the defective component (which was not an issue in the majority of early amps).

Overall, I liked the feel of the BB more than that of the Peavey Minimega and the Genzler Magellan I tried around the same time. Both of those amps were more open up top (which I liked) and had more versatile EQs than the Quilter (and the Peavey had more going on in the deep lows and the Genzler had probably the best slap tone), but the Peavey felt stiff by comparison and the Genzler (to me) felt compressed in its lowest register. The BB, as I recall it, felt nicely elastic and propulsive with a balanced response/feel through the registers of the instrument. Big but not bloated lows and, yeah, some "heft" (more than a lot of compact amps, but not as much as my favorite lead sleds).

Played back to back with a Shaw B-150 tube amp (150 Watts, four KT88s) and my GBE 1200, I did not feel that the BB800 had the same level of solidity and detail -- the Shaw, despite its tube power, felt and sounded more crisp, more detailed, and more articulate -- though I'm sure the Quilter would go louder -- but I did find the overall sound of the Quilter to be pleasant and fairly organic (harmonics spoke nicely without being zingy) and the overall feel to be more natural and "connected" than the majority of class D bass amps I've tried. I wouldn't characterize it as a super "quick" amp -- relative to the GBE 1200, it could get a little blurry in fast, staccato stuff -- but it was still nicely responsive. An easy amp to play, if that makes sense; for me, the feel encouraged a relaxed right hand technique (except when trying to play fast, sharply delineated lines at my limits -- the GBE was better for that).

If the BB's positive qualities held at gig volume (which, again, I didn't get to try), I think it would've worked well with my MAS 112. The EQ, while limited, I recall as being well-voiced -- add a presence knob or a well-voiced bright switch and I'd have been more than happy with it. As it was, I would've liked it a bit more open up top, but it was still a very usable gig sound with good mids. The feel was a hair looser than I prefer (possibly related to its having a lower damping factor than most SS bass heads); the flip-side of that is that it's probably the closest approximation, in terms of feel, to a tube amp that I've played in a compact, class D bass head -- nice, natural note-envelope and, again, a feeling of connectedness to what you're playing.

Don't recall if I tried the DI.

Overall impression: Wouldn't replace my fave lead sleds or pre+power rigs and maybe not the best amp if you're looking for a very bright or open top end or a super-quick feel, but would be a great backup/easily portable head with a more natural feel than the majority of compact, class D bass amps I've played. If mine didn't have an issue, I'd likely have kept it. If they came out with a version with a bright switch/presence control or something similar -- especially if they revised the DI and included a selectable damping factor -- or just slightly tightened up the feel -- I'd very likely get one.

Seemed to match up well with my MAS 112 (which is solid in the lows but voiced pretty "lean and mean"). Not sure how it would match with a deeper, slightly looser, more "romantically" voiced cab like the 46 -- might be too much of a good thing for me (then again, I like things fairly tight and responsive -- might be just right for some). Again, I never got to gig the head.

Re. using the BB with Markbass cabs (per the OP), while I am no expert on them (I own a CMD 121P combo and have played a few of the others), they seem to me like they'd benefit from a fairly tight, controlled head -- not sure the BB800 would be a good match and I could see the combo being "rubbery" -- but that's a subjective impression involving some guesswork.

@Mike Arnopol has remarked favorably on the BB800 -- he'd probably be able to speak better to how it pairs with his cabs than I could.
I have... briefly. Sort of.

I had an earlier BB800 with a defective component that caused the noise levels to ramp up to unusable levels after it was turned on -- this happened over a course of anywhere from 10 seconds to several minutes.* While I didn't get to gig it in the short while I had it, in messing around with it (in its well-behaved stretches) at home through my MAS 112, I found a lot to like and suspect that a properly working unit would be fun to play on a variety of gigs.

*I should note, again, that my head was an early one. Quilter Co. were responsive in communication (Pat Q. and an associate both responded to me and tried to help me troubleshoot the amp before I sent it back) and they have, as far as I know, long since tracked down and rectified the issue with the defective component (which was not an issue in the majority of early amps).

Overall, I liked the feel of the BB more than that of the Peavey Minimega and the Genzler Magellan I tried around the same time. Both of those amps were more open up top (which I liked) and had more versatile EQs than the Quilter (and the Peavey had more going on in the deep lows and the Genzler had probably the best slap tone), but the Peavey felt stiff by comparison and the Genzler (to me) felt compressed in its lowest register. The BB, as I recall it, felt nicely elastic and propulsive with a balanced response/feel through the registers of the instrument. Big but not bloated lows and, yeah, some "heft" (more than a lot of compact amps, but not as much as my favorite lead sleds).

Played back to back with a Shaw B-150 tube amp (150 Watts, four KT88s) and my GBE 1200, I did not feel that the BB800 had the same level of solidity and detail -- the Shaw, despite its tube power, felt and sounded more crisp, more detailed, and more articulate -- though I'm sure the Quilter would go louder -- but I did find the overall sound of the Quilter to be pleasant and fairly organic (harmonics spoke nicely without being zingy) and the overall feel to be more natural and "connected" than the majority of class D bass amps I've tried. I wouldn't characterize it as a super "quick" amp -- relative to the GBE 1200, it could get a little blurry in fast, staccato stuff -- but it was still nicely responsive. An easy amp to play, if that makes sense; for me, the feel encouraged a relaxed right hand technique (except when trying to play fast, sharply delineated lines at my limits -- the GBE was better for that).

If the BB's positive qualities held at gig volume (which, again, I didn't get to try), I think it would've worked well with my MAS 112. The EQ, while limited, I recall as being well-voiced -- add a presence knob or a well-voiced bright switch and I'd have been more than happy with it. As it was, I would've liked it a bit more open up top, but it was still a very usable gig sound with good mids. The feel was a hair looser than I prefer (possibly related to its having a lower damping factor than most SS bass heads); the flip-side of that is that it's probably the closest approximation, in terms of feel, to a tube amp that I've played in a compact, class D bass head -- nice, natural note-envelope and, again, a feeling of connectedness to what you're playing.

Don't recall if I tried the DI.

Overall impression: Wouldn't replace my fave lead sleds or pre+power rigs and maybe not the best amp if you're looking for a very bright or open top end or a super-quick feel, but would be a great backup/easily portable head with a more natural feel than the majority of compact, class D bass amps I've played. If mine didn't have an issue, I'd likely have kept it. If they came out with a version with a bright switch/presence control or something similar -- especially if they revised the DI and included a selectable damping factor -- or just slightly tightened up the feel -- I'd very likely get one.

Seemed to match up well with my MAS 112 (which is solid in the lows but voiced pretty "lean and mean"). Not sure how it would match with a deeper, slightly looser, more "romantically" voiced cab like the 46 -- might be too much of a good thing for me (then again, I like things fairly tight and responsive -- might be just right for some). Again, I never got to gig the head.

Re. using the BB with Markbass cabs (per the OP), while I am no expert on them (I own a CMD 121P combo and have played a few of the others), they seem to me like they'd benefit from a fairly tight, controlled head -- not sure the BB800 would be a good match and I could see the combo being "rubbery" -- but that's a subjective impression involving some guesswork.

@Mike Arnopol has remarked favorably on the BB800 -- he'd probably be able to speak better to how it pairs with his cabs than I could.
Hey MarkA, The reason I ask, is because I want to use it with my Bodai 110(8 ohm) for smaller rooms. I have been using a Markbass SD1200 (which is awesome), but it is having problems.(this just started 2 gigs ago) I'll get one set with it working perfectly then 2-3 songs into the second set it will lose quite a bit of volume. I have a Genzler MG800 and GB Shuttlemax 9.2, and with any one of my 8 ohm MAS cabs( 2 MAS 109's and the Bodai 110) I have to push those amps very hard to be loud. The Markbass SD1200 has no problem. So I was hoping that the Bass Bock will have sufficient power for the Bodai to be played rigorously. I bought about it 10 days ago and it sounds great in my unfinished basement but that's not a true test. I'm listening to any one with experience with the Quilter and any 8 ohm MAS/Bodai cab. I have 2 gigs at the end of this month, so ultimately I'll have time to return it to MF if it doesn't cut the mustard. Caveat; I have limited funds(hence the reason I bought SD1200 used)
 
Hey MarkA, The reason I ask, is because I want to use it with my Bodai 110(8 ohm) for smaller rooms. I have been using a Markbass SD1200 (which is awesome), but it is having problems.(this just started 2 gigs ago) I'll get one set with it working perfectly then 2-3 songs into the second set it will lose quite a bit of volume. I have a Genzler MG800 and GB Shuttlemax 9.2, and with any one of my 8 ohm MAS cabs( 2 MAS 109's and the Bodai 110) I have to push those amps very hard to be loud. The Markbass SD1200 has no problem. So I was hoping that the Bass Bock will have sufficient power for the Bodai to be played rigorously. I bought about it 10 days ago and it sounds great in my unfinished basement but that's not a true test. I'm listening to any one with experience with the Quilter and any 8 ohm MAS/Bodai cab. I have 2 gigs at the end of this month, so ultimately I'll have time to return it to MF if it doesn't cut the mustard. Caveat; I have limited funds(hence the reason I bought SD1200 used)

I never got to gig the BB800 (for the reason mentioned in my previous post), so I can't say how the head behaves when pushed, but I could see it sounding good with the Bodai 110 based on what I've heard of that cab (got to play one at Mike's place awhile back) and the amp (at home through my MAS 112), which seems to jive with your impression of it so far. I would expect it to push the Bodai 110 fine (even if you have to turn the knobs farther than you're used to) but, as you say, the gig will be the test of that.

If you ever did pick up a second Bodai 110 (I know that you said that funds are limited -- and it might be that the single cab is plenty for your purposes), I think you'd notice a pretty big difference in volume, fullness, and how much less your amp has to work. I haven't played two Bodai 110s, but I say this based on my experiences playing a MAS 46 and Flex Mod both with and without the 110 sub (which should be similar in output and box size to the woofer section of the Bodai 110). Sub made a huge difference.

I've never played an SD1200, but I did own an F500 (which is supposed to be similarly voiced), two SD800s (differently voiced -- found it to be a bit stiff and harsh but it hit harder, for sure, into a single cab, than one side of my ShuttleMax 12.0 [functionally a 6.0] did), and a Little Mark 2 (the "Combo Head" in my CMD 121P). All were purchased used. The two SD800s and the F500 worked without issue while I had them, while the LMII/Combo Head started to cut out a few years ago. I tried cleaning the effects loop and took it to a tech, but to no avail. I'm afraid it might need an expensive board swap, but I've not bitten the bullet on that. Perhaps yours has an intermittent electrical connection (like a cracked solder joint) or a dirty effects loop -- with luck, it will be something easy to fix.

If you get the SD1200 sorted, I'd be careful with it. I can imagine it sounding good with the Bodai 110 and its dedicated mid chamber (the F500 was a bit smooth/sterile through some cabs, but did really well with cabs that added some texture to the mids) and I like and use similarly powerful amps, but that's enough juice to blow the cab if you're not careful.

Anyway, let us know how the Quilter works out! I'll be curious about that and about how you like it relative to the SD1200 (pretty different amps on the surface). If the Quilter works for you, you'll be in a better position with regard to service/warranty, should the need arise.
 
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