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Rage Against the Reunion

#21
Nephilymbass said:
I live in NC. NC has basically turned into flyover country for big tours the last 5-10 years. The main show that comes here is epicenter. Here’s the price.
View attachment 3735866 Last year black label society and Tool were cancelled due to weather and people were so mad they cut the fences down so they didn’t have to wait in line to leave.
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That's expensive.
 
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bonin in the boneyard said:
That article was a hot mess.

Concert ticket prices have literally nothing to do with Rage's message against systematic, violent oppression.

Musicians/artists/entertainers are not "the machine." The machine is law enforcement weaponized against minorities and the poor; the machine is the military-industrial complex lobbying for wars of choice; the machine is the difference in what healthcare costs to provide and what they charge you...

Is the argument really that because Rage decries brutality against racial minorities and indigenous peoples that there is some kind of implied limit on what they can charge for tickets? But say a band that could give a crap about affronts to human dignity and attacks on human rights gets to charge whatever? It makes no g*****n sense! It's worse than a straw man argument--it's a non sequitur.

I could say more about the source of the article because I am familiar with it, but that could run afoul of forum rules.
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4stringsjack said:
What bonin said. RATM's message as to what they consider to be "the machine" has been clear from the first track on their first album. They have been a steady voice decrying "the machine" that mass produces racist attitudes and many forms of mistreatment of those who have been stripped of their power to fight back. I don't see what ticket prices have to do with it. Sure, I wish they were cheaper because I'd love to go see them.

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I mean, you don't think $800+ concert tickets fit into their narrative of oligarchical oppression? I'm pretty certain it would. It certainly speaks to accessibility within a society, of which power is related.

I'm in the camp that sees the irony here but, like most people, I caught onto this in the 90s when they were part of the mainstream music machine.
 
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DiabolusInMusic said:
you don't think $800+ concert tickets fit into their narrative of oligarchical oppression?
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Absolutely not.

First, you cherry picked an outlier number. If you want box seats to see La bohème, you're going to pay the box seat price. There's no special La bohème price.

Second, concert tickets are not a basic human necessity. We're not talking about food, water, medicine, education, or equal protection under the law. Tickets to a show are a luxury good.
 
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It's interesting to watch a propaganda piece come out of a fringe right-wing opinion site, and suddenly all the way over here on TB where folks usually respect musicians' right to make a living, it's like:

"Yeah! Why should a band with leftist sympathies get to charge as much for tickets as other mainstream rock acts?!?"

Successful people speaking out about oppression and inequity is not hypocrisy; it's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy.
 
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bonin in the boneyard said:
It's interesting to watch a propaganda piece come out of a fringe right-wing opinion site, and suddenly all the way over here on TB where folks usually respect musicians' right to make a living, it's like:

"Yeah! Why should a band with leftist sympathies get to charge as much for tickets as other mainstream rock acts?!?"

Successful people speaking out about oppression and inequity is not hypocrisy; it's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy.
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I really *****ng like this post.
 
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bonin in the boneyard said:
That article was a hot mess.

Concert ticket prices have literally nothing to do with Rage's message against systematic, violent oppression.

Musicians/artists/entertainers are not "the machine." The machine is law enforcement weaponized against minorities and the poor; the machine is the military-industrial complex lobbying for wars of choice; the machine is the difference in what healthcare costs to provide and what they charge you...

Is the argument really that because Rage decries brutality against racial minorities and indigenous peoples that there is some kind of implied limit on what they can charge for tickets? But say a band that could give a crap about affronts to human dignity and attacks on human rights gets to charge whatever? It makes no g*****n sense! It's worse than a straw man argument--it's a non sequitur.

I could say more about the source of the article because I am familiar with it, but that could run afoul of forum rules.
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I had no idea what you were saying, but I admired the zest you said it with! Zest is also a fairly decent soap.
 
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#36
bonin in the boneyard said:
The funny thing is, you never got in trouble. I was the only one who did, and as I recall the infraction was decidedly apolitical.
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Holy Cow! You got in trouble? I missed it. Please copy and paste it in the forbidden zone.
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#38
bonin in the boneyard said:
That article was a hot mess.

Concert ticket prices have literally nothing to do with Rage's message against systematic, violent oppression.

Musicians/artists/entertainers are not "the machine." The machine is law enforcement weaponized against minorities and the poor; the machine is the military-industrial complex lobbying for wars of choice; the machine is the difference in what healthcare costs to provide and what they charge you...

Is the argument really that because Rage decries brutality against racial minorities and indigenous peoples that there is some kind of implied limit on what they can charge for tickets? But say a band that could give a crap about affronts to human dignity and attacks on human rights gets to charge whatever? It makes no g*****n sense! It's worse than a straw man argument--it's a non sequitur.

I could say more about the source of the article because I am familiar with it, but that could run afoul of forum rules.
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Not enough likes in the world for this comment.
 
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mellowinman said:
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Agreed. It's a supply and demand world, and ultimately, it's why you can get a job and buy a killer bass. I don't like the majority of it, but the cannon would be pointed at many, many sack-suckers, long before I aimed it at RATM.

I do agree with the OP that it sucks, especially for a band which preaches liberties for the impoverished, but then again, if they're going to continue fighting for the oppressed and impoverished, then they need to survive. And in order to survive, they'll need jobs, and their jobs are?

RATM is a political band, and they are fighting... but they're not fighting for a bunch of idealistic Americans, whom don't want to pay a lot for a concert ticket, they're fighting for people who're having their kids taken away from them at gun-point, and then sold into slavery.

I also hated it when the Misfits did it... And much more egregiously, I might add. As with all things, who is the bigger criminal? The perpetrator, or the ones who watch the crime and allow it?

So, yes, I can empathize with the OP, but fight the master, not the puppet. RATM is just trying to survive in the world that we created.

For the record, I'm a massive Misfits fan, and I had back-stage passes to their sold out show. I didn't go.
 
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