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Rage Against the Reunion

#41
bonin in the boneyard said:
That article was a hot mess.

Concert ticket prices have literally nothing to do with Rage's message against systematic, violent oppression.

Musicians/artists/entertainers are not "the machine." The machine is law enforcement weaponized against minorities and the poor; the machine is the military-industrial complex lobbying for wars of choice; the machine is the difference in what healthcare costs to provide and what they charge you...

Is the argument really that because Rage decries brutality against racial minorities and indigenous peoples that there is some kind of implied limit on what they can charge for tickets? But say a band that could give a crap about affronts to human dignity and attacks on human rights gets to charge whatever? It makes no g*****n sense! It's worse than a straw man argument--it's a non sequitur.

I could say more about the source of the article because I am familiar with it, but that could run afoul of forum rules.
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Law enforcement is the pipeline that allows those royalty checks to be cashed. It also enforces contracts.

You also need to go back and carefully re-read the 1st paragraph. It’s in there.
 
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#42
Nephilymbass said:
The sad thing about blaming bands for high ticket cost is as someone who has had the opportunity to play some pretty big shows opening for some big bands I happen know they often play for a set price based on their draw in a specific market, not a percentage share of the ticket money. So wether the tickets are $50 or $125 dollars and wether they sell 500 tickets or 5,000 the band gets paid the pre agreed upon fee. When it comes to big concerts these days there’s too many people with their hand in the cookie jar. Ticket companies are making too much money. People are buying out tickets and reselling them online for crazy prices.

The explanation Tom gave for the RATM tour is with the exception of 10% of the seats from every show which the additional money from goes to charity the remaining 90% of the tickets are all the same price. When people look online at ticket prices for this tour. The actual tickets are $125. If it’s more than that it’s either a charity ticket or it’s a site reselling tickets for a profit. And If $125 all of a sudden sounds insanely expensive it shows that you haven’t been to any big concerts lately. Because they are all stupid expensive these days.
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Where did I blame RATM for any of this? Rage most likely accepts terms as a band and it’s the promoters who have to produce the venue and the means to have a successful show where the costs can also pile up and be piled onto.
 
#45
bonin in the boneyard said:
It's interesting to watch a propaganda piece come out of a fringe right-wing opinion site, and suddenly all the way over here on TB where folks usually respect musicians' right to make a living, it's like:

"Yeah! Why should a band with leftist sympathies get to charge as much for tickets as other mainstream rock acts?!?"

Successful people speaking out about oppression and inequity is not hypocrisy; it's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy.
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It was right there in the 1st paragraph. I thought I was rather complementary to RATM as a musical act. The lyrical end of their message is not unlike many predecessors. It’s news, regardless of the source.
P. Aaron said:
Their name is unfairly attached to this outrage. The gripe resides with StubHub, Ticketmaster and other distributors.
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#46
bonin in the boneyard said:
It's interesting to watch a propaganda piece come out of a fringe right-wing opinion site, and suddenly all the way over here on TB where folks usually respect musicians' right to make a living, it's like:

"Yeah! Why should a band with leftist sympathies get to charge as much for tickets as other mainstream rock acts?!?"

Successful people speaking out about oppression and inequity is not hypocrisy; it's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy.
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It’s all there in the very 1st post, where the excessive costs likely came from. RATM can get what a promoter will pay them for the tour. It’s the pile - on of production costs, and whatever profit that machine can extract from the public that will determine if it’s successful. RATM likely gets their compensation (& perhaps a % of each door) for the entire tour.
 
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#47
P. Aaron said:
It was right there in the 1st paragraph. I thought I was rather complementary to RATM as a musical act. The lyrical end of their message is not unlike many predecessors. It’s news, regardless of the source.
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Sorry, man, I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you. I reacted a little strongly to the tone of the opinion piece.

The only thing I'd disagree on is that it's not news; it's opinion. And the source always matters. :)
 
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#51
With all the groups I’ve seen and heard, RATM was the first group that got me hooked on bass lines, with maybe RHCP as well. Know Your Enemy was what made me want to play bass.
I can’t wait to see them regardless of cost. I think the timing is right for the band and their fans. Unlike Gene and Paul’s 4th End of the World KISS Tour
 
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#52
If a thing is nationally (or internationally) known it is already a commercial sellout to the machine.
Don’t get me wrong, RATM truly lives up to their claim and i believe they are sincere in their motivations but they have been part of the machine they rage against since they allowed themselves to be courted (and signed) by a major record label.
Once you accept all commercially successful entertainment as exactly what the word entertainment implies, it makes life much less complicated.
This does not mean they are in any way fronting a lie, they are merely exploiting a certain aspect of the machine as a vehicle to reach a wider audience with their message. It’s just that things like big bank and chartered jets make it much easier to bear the burden of biting the very hand that feeds you.
 
#54
P. Aaron said:
Where did I blame RATM for any of this? Rage most likely accepts terms as a band and it’s the promoters who have to produce the venue and the means to have a successful show where the costs can also pile up and be piled onto.
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I wasn’t referring to you specifically. This has been a big topic on social media lately. And I’ve seen a lot of people blaming the band for it
 

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