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Rat Tail or something else?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by russpurdy, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. russpurdy


    Apr 16, 2013
    So I'm digging running my bass through a rat but of course the low end loss is a total bummer. I'm wondering if the Rat Tail is the "be all and end all" of Rat clones for bass. Also if anyone could post some sound clips on bass or some tracks that you know used a rat tail I would be super grateful.

    If there are other options you dudes prefer for a rat style pedal on bass what are they?

  2. andrew


    May 20, 2000
    Vancouver BC/Pacific Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amplification, Spector, Regenerate Guitar Works, Tech 21 NYC
    While there are some cool options out there, in my opinion the Rat Tail is the be all end all version of a RAT for bass.
  3. I can't sing praise to the Rat Tail enough.
  4. millahh

    millahh Supporting Member

    Sep 20, 2005
    The low end loss can be mitigated by blending in some clean signal with a blender (i.e. Boss LS-2, or any number of upmarket blenders).

    I don't say that to discourage the RT...just pointing out another option.
  5. vegas532


    Nov 10, 2006
    Glendora, CA.
    The Rat Tail on the "no diodes" setting is a game changer for bass!
  6. russpurdy


    Apr 16, 2013
    Can the rat tail do an decent low gain "grit" sound?
  7. Yes. Keep the distortion knob at about 9 oclock.
  8. zwkoch

    zwkoch You can't do that on bass enthusiast Supporting Member

    Nov 29, 2012
    Twin Cities, MN
    You just had to pull out YW on me. Every time I listen to their albums I go into a fit of raging GAS for the Rat Tail. I have Ryan's page open now and I am trying to talk myself down. I have WAY too much dirt on my board for what I play.
  9. handofseven

    handofseven Soaking up the cathode rays... Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2010
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Do yourself a favour... Save the frustration and $$$, and cut straight to the RAT Tail. You won't be disappointed.
  10. New album in May! That song is on it.
  11. andrew


    May 20, 2000
    Vancouver BC/Pacific Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amplification, Spector, Regenerate Guitar Works, Tech 21 NYC
    This is sound advice. I went through a lot of RAT pedals and clones and as soon as I tried the Rat Tail I knew it was the one.
  12. DinnerWithAGypsy

    DinnerWithAGypsy Supporting Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Louisville, KY
    You owe it to yourself to at least try the Fuzzrocious Rat Tail, based (if nothing else) on TB members' collective expertise and overwhelmingly positive praise of it.
  13. Mark06


    Jun 28, 2009
    Lyon, France
    +1 on the Rat Tail. There's no low end loss with this beast.
    Mine has a custom additionnal blend pot added by Ryan that is not abolutely necessery but worth the extra if you want to keep more clean treble/attack or simply prefer blended signal on recordings.
    You can also choose the 2nd distortion settings/footswitch as a good option if needed...
  14. cnltb


    May 28, 2005
    Two questions re; Rat Tail:
    Which version would you all generally go for?
    I am tempted to get one with just the added feedback loop(I take it that the circuit will feedback into itself?).
    If I'm not mistaken, there is a 'no diode' setting:how is the distortion achieved if not with diodes?

    Thanks! :)
  15. The distortion is achieved via the LM308 op amp. Its less compressed and has more bass.

    The feedback loop does indeed cause the circuit to feedback upon itself.
  16. cnltb


    May 28, 2005
    I was not aware that the op amp is ones to distort.
  17. WaldoNova

    WaldoNova Having fun yet? Supporting Member

    Jun 14, 2009
    Yonkers, NY
    TBH I've never tried a Rat. I have the Source Audio OFD and the El Raton, based on the Rat I assume, is one of my favorite settings for high gain blissfullness. The OFD has alot of settings that sound great with low gain but I haven't tried the El Raton setting with low gain. If you're on a never ending search for fuzz/dirt you should at least try the OFD through your setup. A lot of Analog converts in the Source Audio club. It's worth investigating.
  18. russpurdy


    Apr 16, 2013
    well, looks like I better start savin the pennies for a rat tail.
  19. There's definitely low end loss on every setting I've tried with mine - it really shines in the mix, though, and the mids stay strong which make that not matter so much. But yeah, every time I kick it on, my bass reduces, but that's really symptomatic of every Rat-based pedal I've used.

    As far as it goes, my RT hasn't left my board since I bought it, and I don't imagine it will any time soon. I've owned and gigged with a Turbo Rat, Rat 2, the Juggernaut bass version, a Gojira clone, and the RT, and the Fuzzrocious model blows them all away on bass, for me.