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Double Bass re-newbee

Mar 14, 2003
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Wow, did I take a wrong turn into the classical room?

I'm no talkbass newbee, but am a strict jazz player. Keeping this post at some reasonable length and not entirely wanting to publish my shortcomings to the world wide web, I'm thinking about stopping formal lessons with my jazz teacher (who is wonderful) for a while and instead studying with someone as a beginning classical student. There are a few reasons for wanting to do this and none of them have to do with classical music, per se, so I wanted a few opinions.

1) I'm having some playing related pain and in addition to some PT/Alexander type explorations, I want to get really focused on technique. Something that is hard to do when I'm caught up in playing jazz, which I tend to lose myself in. I'll still play jazz of course and I'm certain that technique is technique, but maybe it will be easier to learn away from jazz playing.

2) I don't have classical goals and aspirations, which might make me less tense and self critical going through a learning process. As mentioned above, there is a lot going on in my head and heart when I play jazz, which, while good, makes it hard for me to maybe focus on fundementals.

3) I play a little German bow now. I know a classical teacher with some good jazz sensibilities who teaches French Bow. I'd rather not buy a new bow or switch, but suppose that I could. I'll feel her out for how open she is to me hanging onto the big frog. If not at all, I'll have to either switch to French Bow or find someone else to study with.

She teaches out of Nanny. Should I care about which method someone uses? Simandl, Nanny, Rabbath, etc?

Here's my final reservation about going this way, especially if I end up going with someone other than the person who I mentioned above, I don't really have a connection with classical music. It's not that I don't like it or have any opinion about it one way or another. I may discover that I love it, but going in, I'm not a classical guy. I HATE it when people who don't listen to and love Jazz music decide that they want to learn to play it and start showing up places. It makes me absolutely crazy. Of course, I'm nice about it, but it always seems intrusive to me when someone puts themself in a jazz playing setting for reasons other than being drawn to the music. I don't want to be that guy. Thoughts?

In addition to the specific questions above, I'm generally intersted in advice or opinions or what-have-you. Is this a good idea? What am I getting myself into?

Troy
 
Doesn't make sense to me. Why not just have a different Jazz teacher evaluate your technique? If you have bad technique, you need to fix that, not switch to another genre in which you have no interest.

Its like switching to cricket because it hurts to swing a baseball bat. You like baseball, not cricket.
 
Doesn't make sense to me. Why not just have a different Jazz teacher evaluate your technique? If you have bad technique, you need to fix that, not switch to another genre in which you have no interest.

Its like switching to cricket because it hurts to swing a baseball bat. You like baseball, not cricket.

Fair enough and I invited that, but at the same time, I think that I suggested there might be little more to it than that. I'll take that and see if there is another perspective as well.

I'm sorry, I completely forgot the rest of your post after reading this:

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I'll feel her out for how open she is to me hanging onto the big frog.

Uh...yeah. I guess I invited that too.
 
Troy, I think you should go ahead and take some classical lessons.

At the very least you'll learn some theory fundamentals intrinsic to the musical form and at best you'll be approaching the technique from a completely different perspective.

You have nothing to lose & much to gain by approaching the instrument from a different angle. :)
 
I think it sounds like a great idea. You've got nothing to lose, and lots to gain. Go for it, and let us know how it goes.

I wouldn't worry too much about which method book the teacher you choose uses, and I probably wouldn't get overly concerned about which bow you use either. This sounds like its about exploring something new and getting a different perspective on your technique and music in general. If you like that teacher and resonate with the way she works, do it!

My opinion, anyway.
 
Why not?
In the words of Duke Ellington (allegedly): There are two kinds of music -- the good kind, and the other kind.

Duke and just about every other great jazz composer had/has a love and appreciation for classical, and in fact most people, I think, would consider jazz as a blend of classical and other forms of music. It can only be a helpful experience, so long as your teacher is understanding of your situation and does not look down his/her nose at you because you're a jazz player.

Personally I don't even see a need to make distinction between jazz and classical (hence the quote, which I take to be a shot at our obsession with labels and genres). There is lots of great music out there from every genre and taking a different approach to your instrument seems like a good idea to me.