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Recording, mixing and panning drums

Tuning your drums well, having some sound-deadening treatment in the room, and going easy on the cymbals will make a huge difference. I've found Invalid Link Removed

It's a little more extreme/tongue-in-cheek, but Bosco Mann (AKA Daptone's Gabe Roth) wrote a fantastic 2 part article about DIY recording, called "Sh***y is Pretty"
 

Not to mention it's free, and it qualifies you for the "upgrade" price on Kontakt instead of paying the full license price up front. Open secret in the NI community. So yeah, if you're still using Kontakt Player, this might be of interest especially... 2 days ago during NI's Summer of Sound sale :laugh:.
 
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My very limited experience was:
Glyn John's 4 mic setup
Overheads panned to sound natural
I prefer Drummer's Perspective, being a drummer.
Slight reverb on snare, depending on the song
Mic the snare top only
No gates, but I'd probably experiment with them
Slight compression on individual channels, and drum bus

I tend to like an open, natural sound, which is a plus for me since my current setup is only 4 channels anyways - not enough inputs for close micing
 
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Boundry mics for room and ribbon a mic laid flat on a pillow In The kick

You can get better drum sounds with more mics but you start dealing with reflections /phase issues
Think drum room not drum Closet , a drum needs to blossom, big waves...
 
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I change my methods for every project, but generally use 2 pencil condensers as overheads, being careful to keep them in phase, usually mounted from behind about 5-6 feet up above the kit, about 5 feet apart, aimed down toward the hi-hat on one side and the floor tom on the other.
top snare mic, sometimes bottom, depending on the snare. kick mic, maybe 1 omni tom mic between the toms, depending on how many toms being used and what kind of song.

  • Do you extreme hard pan left and right on the overheads and/or toms? - hard on the overheads, soft on toms.
  • Do you pan drums from the drummers perspective or the audience? - drummer perspective, unless the artists wants it the other way.
  • Do you add reverb to the snare or keep it dry? - just a touch if needed, sometimes the whole kit gets a bit of reverb to bring it all together.
  • Do you mic both the top and bottom side of your snare? bottom mic phase reversed - usually just the top, sometimes just the bottom, sometimes both!
  • Do you gate any/all drums or record/mix them wide open? - I record wide open, unless there are a lot of toms with mics on them, then I would gate them before hitting the tape
  • Do you pre or post process drums with compressors? I have hardware and plugins. - I do most processing before hitting the tape. I use hardware compressors and gates and will process individually going to tape, then during mixdown will sub to a stereo pair and process that with some different glue to bring it all together.
sometimes even process the bass & drums in the same submix to tighten it up, depending on the song.
sometimes buss the drums to a stereo comp, then bus that output to another pair that includes the bass, rhythm guitar & organ/piano and run that buss through another comp to make a solid rhythm section.

then again, sometimes not !

It all depends on what you are going for.
If you don't know what you are going for, experiment! do what you want, there are no rules!
 
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Thanks everyone! Love TB. I wish the whole world was as willing to share and support each other so openly. It would definitely be a better place for everyone. I don’t even use social media except TB since 2005. Thanks all!

Thanks for asking the question! I've been recording since 2002 but much of that time was a friend's home studio, so I let him do all the drum recording! But more recently I've had to start recording the drums on my own, and am still learning. Last year when one of my drummer friends blew through town, I recorded it with the stereo mic on the Zoom H6, also recording two guitars mic'd and my bass and the kick drum in the other 4 channels. I also had a Zoom H2n out in the room (a small rectangular hall basically). Always want to learn more though, so I wanted to get in on this thread, I have a feeling I'll be going back to it.

I think the question of the perspective of the panning is interesting. When I was in high school I listened to a LOT of music on headphones (mostly my cassette Walkman, it was the '80s) - I remember listening to one Genesis album a lot (I think Live with the blueish cover) and realizing that the panning was switching mid-song! Why the heck did they do that?!! But it was cool, and I think it made me realize the artificiality of recording and helped me not be so rigid later. For the stuff I recorded in the small hall I panned it from the audience, but when I do studio stuff sometimes I like to do it from the drummer's perspective - the other instruments are usually just bass and synths so I can get creative with the panning there and it isn't necessarily a "document" of a live event where you expect realism.

I also remember hearing from my friend with the studio that there was a different between UK and US recordings, with one being panned from the drummer's perspective and the other from the audience perspective - has anyone else heard that?
 
  • Do you extreme hard pan left and right on the overheads and/or toms?
I use Boz Digital Labs Pan Knob for panning rather than the one built into your DAW. This features a crossover to keep frequencies below the cutoff centered and only pans the frequencies above it. It's cheap and absolutely worth it. Such a better solution for most things. With that plugin in mind; Overheads are almost hard panned left and right unless I'm going for a very old school thing, in which case I'll narrow them up. Toms should be placed in the stereo image such that the close mics and the toms position in the overheads is coincident. The exception to this is if I need extra width on tom-heavy parts or rolls across the kit I might pan them slightly wider than their placement in the overheads. It's rare though. Things sound tighter when you use the overheads' image to place the toms in the stereo field.

Keep in mind that the overhead mic'ing technique will play a huge part in this. A coincident pair can be hard panned and still sound narrow. A spaced pair can be hard panned and you might end up with phase issues or a weird "hole" in the center feeling. These days I'm almost always using a modified Recorderman setup in my studio which can get nice and wide, but not overly so. Worry more about getting the snare top the same distance from both overhead capsules as that's something that often gets left out and then people wonder why their backbeat doesn't sound punchy.

  • Do you pan drums from the drummers perspective or the audience?
Totally personal preference. I'm an engineer and a drummer, so I prefer them panned from the drummer's perspective. Pick which one you like best and go with it. If anyone outside the band questions your panning direction just tell them the drummer is left-handed :smug:

Another consideration is the arrangement. If the song sits on the hi-hats more than the ride, you might intentionally pan the drums to put the hats on the side of the mix that has the least going on so you can better utilize the space.

  • Do you add reverb to the snare or keep it dry?
I'll commonly have an aux send on the snare top that goes to the same plate reverb that I'm sending the lead vocal to. Both snares and vocals absolutely LOVE plate reverb. A little goes a long way, so be judicious and use a smart phone or laptop speakers to check the reverb level on a test mix. High fidelity mains have a way of burying reverb in all the other lush frequencies, but a smart phone or laptop will reveal them in a very painful way. Get it to be just audible on a smart phone speaker and it's probably just right for most applications. If you're doing an 80s thing you can get away with a lot more snare reverb since it's part of the decade's style. Early to mid 90s thing? Lots of reverb on all the drums in a sort of garage rock kind of way was a very popular technique. Early 00s thing? Lots of bone dry drum recordings around that time. It all depends on what you're going for.

  • Do you mic both the top and bottom side of your snare? bottom mic phase reversed
I almost always mic the bottom snare mic and I almost always mute it in the mix. I learned from Simon Phillips that bottom mics on snares typically sound bad. As a bonus, using just one mic per source will reduce potential phase incoherency issues. Since I've gone to mixing with just the top head I've found that my mixes have greatly improved. If you do use a bottom mic you can try flipping phase, but a phase alignment plugin like Auto Align from Soundradix can be a big help.

  • Do you gate any/all drums or record/mix them wide open?
Depends. Are you going for a Ringo thing or a Vinnie Paul thing? For most productions I tend to do some gating of the kick, snare and toms, but generally speaking a little bleed is fine. You might get a little excess top end on the attack of the drums but I've never found it to be a deal breaker.

  • Do you pre or post process drums with compressors? I have hardware and plugins
I don't, but if you know what you're doing AND you know what's going to work for the arrangement, it can be a fine approach. I'd rather just use good mics that are well positioned, send them to high quality preamps and converters, and then go from there.
 
My very limited experience was:
Glyn John's 4 mic setup
Overheads panned to sound natural
I prefer Drummer's Perspective, being a drummer.
Slight reverb on snare, depending on the song
Mic the snare top only
No gates, but I'd probably experiment with them
Slight compression on individual channels, and drum bus

I tend to like an open, natural sound, which is a plus for me since my current setup is only 4 channels anyways - not enough inputs for close micing

I'm definitely doing a lot of reading over the holiday weekend!
 
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I'll echo what others have already said and advise to keep it simple when learning.

More specific recommendations:

1) Left overhead
2) Right overhead
3) Kick
4) Snare

Placement of overheads is important. You'll need to experiment by moving them around a lot until you find what sounds the best. Even small movements can make a big difference.

Pan the overheads hard left and right. Soft pan the kick and snare mics about 25%.

I always use reverb on drums but in small amounts. A little bit on the snare and very little on the rest of the kit.

When mixing, EQ is critical. Resist the the temptation to make the drums sound huge by filling up every frequency band. Leave room for other instruments - especially the electric bass. Cut about 3dB on the kick drum between around 80 - 150 Hz. Make up for the loss by boosting a bit between 40 - 70 Hz. Remember to do the opposite boost and cut when it's time to EQ the bass guitar.
For the snare and overheads, I'd roll off all frequencies below 90Hz.

The possibilities when recording drums are almost endless. What I've outlined above is just one way that's simple and works.
 
  • Do you extreme hard pan left and right on the overheads and/or toms?
  • Do you pan drums from the drummers perspective or the audience?
  • Do you add reverb to the snare or keep it dry?
  • Do you mic both the top and bottom side of your snare? bottom mic phase reversed
  • Do you gate any/all drums or record/mix them wide open?
  • Do you pre or post process drums with compressors? I have hardware and plugins

1) yes on the overheads, varies on the toms - usually about 80% left/right but you have to listen to determine the best values. I like using an X/Y single position mic for the OH - Rode NT4
2) Audience
3) little bit of verb on the input, barely enough to be discernible
4) tried that, didn't like it. Now it's just the top, as the snare will be heard no matter where you place the mic
5) no gating on the input
6) I put a limiter on the kick track but that's it. Compression is added in the mix process

my $.02
 
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