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Red Wine or White Wine?

I'm a Cab fan, Kenwood - Jack London........awesome. Rodney Strong as was previously mentioned (not the $55+ bottles, not that they aren't great) always works as does Sterling. I'm not a pairing person, just like what I like when I'm in the mood. Deer Creek (Oregon) makes a great Cab as well. Caymus ($$$) has never lived up to the price to me.

My favorite red is Ferrari-Cerrano Siena (Sangiovese/Malbec blend) of which I have two 2006 bottles at home. Not super expensive but amazing.

Best white to me, don't laugh, Gallo Chardonnay. It won a taste test at BevMo and was the only contender under $10 ($6.99). It beat out some $17+ and I've never given it to anyone that disagreed. It's my best cheap find and I always have about 4-5 bottles on hand.
 
Some great suggestions here. Thanks.

Penfolds do a killer Koonunga Hill red too, but I dont see it around so much.

Two further things...

1) how important is the glass? Pretentious as it sounds, and I'm sure it's purely psychological, but good wine seems wasted in cheap glasses or tumblers. Any science behind the difference in taste?

2) I'm glad many others share my new found interest. Thought I was going to have to hand in my man-card. Or does that come when you start drinking rosé?

There is science behind the glass...but it might just be the same kind of science that drives the hi-fi audio world. ;) That said, I prefer to drink a nice wine from a nicely-shaped glass rather than a plastic tumbler. I've also found that many of Riedel's specialty wine glasses can be found at Cost Plus for about 1/4 the price. The differences between the Riedel and the Cost Plus knock-off are so slight that you have to look awfully close to notice any difference. Also, I feel much less pained when I shatter a $5 glass than a $20 one.

As long as you keep your pinky tucked in while drinking your wine, you may keep your Man Card.
 
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1) how important is the glass? Pretentious as it sounds, and I'm sure it's purely psychological, but good wine seems wasted in cheap glasses or tumblers. Any science behind the difference in taste?

2) I'm glad many others share my new found interest. Thought I was going to have to hand in my man-card. Or does that come when you start drinking rosé?

1) Typically wide bottom half, narrow top with high glass-stem-thingy (if the stem is short you have a brown-liquor-glass). Provides more surface for the fumes to evaporate, while containing them. With liquor you want to smell at the top of the circle when tipping the glass to your nose, while middle to bottom serves better when smelling a wine (less alcohol). So I guess it's true good wine is wasted in a tumbler cup. But hey, tomorrow I'll be drinking dirt cheap home-made wine out of 1.5 litre Pepsi bottles, so you might not want to take my interwebz words too seriously.

2) You can enjoy a rosé within the confines of your empty basement, but if had in public don't enjoy it too much! Rosé wines are what my great aunts might like. :atoz:
 
how important is the glass? Pretentious as it sounds, and I'm sure it's purely psychological, but good wine seems wasted in cheap glasses or tumblers. Any science behind the difference in taste?

Indeed, wine is definitely a beverage that is designed to be enjoyed from a specially designed vessel. Different wine, different glass.

Beer is also the same way. Call it hype or marketing if you will, but I will only drink a Belgian Dubbel from a tulip glass. But that is a topic/discussion/argument for another time.
 
GREAT thread. I came to the same realization a few months ago. I'm still learning myself what is what, and tasting here and there along the way.

A good friend who seems very well versed in all things wine tells me the goal is to get excellent wines at affordable prices. He said anyone can spend $200 or more on a good bottle of wine, but the trick is to find that good bottle of wine for $20 or less. Any of you guys subscribe to that idea too?

So far, I seem to like white wine more. I tried something from a joint called Gnarly Head, it was really good. With a cool name like that, it is now my favorite. :D

-Mike

Cabs for me! I prefer Toasted Head over Gnarly Head. I've only started drinking red wines in the past couple of years. Friends told me not to spend $200 on a bottle, since there are really good wines in the $20 range, I probably couldn't tell the difference.

Also, reds seem to be self limiting for me, which is good.
 
I'm glad many others share my new found interest. Thought I was going to have to hand in my man-card. Or does that come when you start drinking rosé?

Nothing wrong with a really good rose. Most of my interest in wine developed when I started playing a ton of winery gigs several years ago. I tend to go for big red blends from WA or OR, since that's what most places here most often want to comp me and also where the sweet spot often is price wise. I love Italian varietals done locally too though, especially Sangiovese, Nebbiolo, Barbera, and blends thereof.
 
My damn girlfriend got me hooked on wines (have always been curious) and I like 'em sweet (both wine & gf's). So, a sweet red or white is good with me. Sutter Home Moscato has been nice to me lately. One big glass and I'll be ready for bed in 40 mins...

Would like to learn more about wines and try different flavors/styles/brands. I also really dig the sweet red in church, too...
 
It depends on what's on the plate as to red or white...

Oh, do you mean 'fine' sippin' wine? White most of the time. A chardonnay that does not have an oakey taste is my preference.
In this economy, most any chardonnay is okay by me. :D
 
Passinwind said:
Nothing wrong with a really good rose. Most of my interest in wine developed when I started playing a ton of winery gigs several years ago. I tend to go for big red blends from WA or OR, since that's what most places here most often want to comp me and also where the sweet spot often is price wise. I love Italian varietals done locally too though, especially Sangiovese, Nebbiolo, Barbera, and blends thereof.

finally somebody name these really fine grapes!
 
Learning about wine is a journey and not a destination.

Baron Philippe de Rothschild was once interviewed by Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes. Bradley, being a major wine geek, asked him what was the best bottle of wine he ever drank, expecting him to say a 1945 Petrus or a 1961 Chateau Margauux. He surprised him by answering, "When I was 20, I was sitting on a hill side in Spain with a lovely girl, drinking a bottle of wine, watching the sunset. That was the best bottle of wine I ever had." Great story and so true.

To answer the OP, red, white or rose are all good and come in all kinds of different grapes. In reds, to name a few: pinot noir, cabernet sauvignon, merlot, syrah (or shiraz), grenache, mouvedre, carignan, gamay, sangiovese, malbec, tempranillo, etc, etc. For whites: chardonnay, sauvignon blanc, piont blanc, pinot gris, chasselais, etc, etc.

Daunting? Where to start?

When I started on my journey, I focussed on a particular grape and bought different producers. Wnes have so many influencing variables: new vines ve old vines, stored in oak, old oak vs new oak, how were the grapes picked, when were they picked, was it a good season, are they blended. It goe son and on.

If you're just starting out, easy wines to get into, for reds, are cabernet sauvignon or shiraz. Very easy wines. Often, the price with reflect the complexity of the wine. By complexity, a good wine will have an abundanc of interesting flavours. Pick one and start buying them.

From my experience, you can get into some really nice wines in the $20-30 range. Of course you can buy cheaper, but the quality starts to pick up, generally speaking.

There are old world (France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Germany) wines and new world (Argentina, Chile, South Africa, Australia) wines. Great value coming out of Chile and Argentina, meaning good structured, great fruit and complexity for good prices. There are some great wines out of California. Napa has some wines. Napa is small part of the California wine production at only 4% of total wine from Califormia. Nice cabs from Livermore. Very nice pinot noirs from Russian River. Interesting cabs from Washington state. I recently had a red from Virginia.

My personal preference is reds from Burgundy, France. Reds from Burgundy are pinot noir, the white is chardonnay. Lower Burgundy includes Beaujolais which is a gamay grape. We love Burgundy wines so much that we recently bought a small farm there. We're not growing, although there were vines on the property at one time. We just drink a lot.

My advice is to have a bunch of friends over. Ask them to bring a bottle of shiraz. Set a limit for how much is to be spent. When they arrive, open all the bottles, put them in paper bags, and have a blind tasting. By lining them up, you will learn the differences and eventually find a wine that will stand out.

If you want to enjoy wine and can spend just a bit more $$, again in the $20-30 range, you will enjoy it. Stay away from boxed wine. It's crap. LIfe is too short to drink crap.

PM me if you ever want any advice. Music, aviation and wine are three passions. I am far from knowing a lot about wine, but it's a journey and it starts with opening a bottle.

Now specific personal favorites. All of these are high scoring wines in Wine Spectator:

New Zealand Cloudy Bay sauvignon blanc or chardonnay
Italian Nipizzano Chianti
Spanish Legaris Riberra
California Wente, Charles Wetmore Reserve (cab sauv)
France Chaves, Cote du Rhone, syrah

Each of those are around $20-25 I guess. The Cloudy Bay will be in the $35-40 range. Don't buy it until you're familiar with the grape so that you drop to knees in awe.

There are so many wines out there to discover. It's a fun hobby. It's been around for thousands of years. Jesus drank. It makes girls undress. It makes you feel good. It makes you a better dancer and a far more interesting conversationalist.

Long post, I know. Wine is neat. On its own or with a meal. Pairing wine with food is an art. When you nail, it's incredible. Simply incredible. Bite of food, add wine, flavours blend, you're in heaven.

Enough. Someone elses turn. Good luck.

Brian
 
Never trust reviews, wine is much more to the individual.

Barefoot is very inexpensive but surprisingly good.
Simply expand from there find a good wine store and experiment.
Pallete expansion comes with ever bottle :D or that's at least my excuse.


Personally I dig a good pinot noir or pinot grigio.

I'm clumsy and break most glasses so I just get cheap ones from the resale shop.