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Refinish or leave as is?? Dingwall Fretless ABII

I just got this used fretless and it’s beautiful!🤩 It seems to be hiding a secret though, which has me very intrigued!

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The big question is to refinish or not? Roll the dice and risk there could be a flaw? I’ve never had anything refinished. I would only be trusting this to a highly credible person with a long track record.

When you look in F-hole, you can see it’s a multiplayer top. This is an option with Dingwall that you have to pay for. So I emailed them to find out the specs. Sure enough, it has a flamed maple “contrast layer”. I don’t see it adding very much to the tone at all, as it’s only an eighth of an inch. So then the question is… Why pay for that and then have it mostly hidden with black burst stain?? 🤔

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Dingwall highly recommends I don’t refinish it because the black burst edges might be there to hide some wood grain anomaly that may not be appealing. I get that, but Ziricote rarely has issues unless it’s a sapwood. That’s just in the centre and I actually love how it looks! I have loved Ziricote for decades and always wanted an acoustic guitar with back sides that way. This is even better since it’s right there… But it needs to be seen!!

Walnut is also very consistent. If there was a knot or anything like that, I would actually like it.

So… I decided I would shine a bright light on it to try to see what’s under that stain and then get some pictures. Sure enough that contrast layer shows up right away. I also can’t see anything that looks “unappealing” anywhere, front back or sides. Multiple pictures are below.

Now, it needs heavier setup work because the fret lines are raised a hair, which makes certain notes basically fret out. This is expected for in an instrument that’s 13 years old. Wenge and Maple won’t move the same. I’m also contemplating getting a poly or CA finish done to the fretboard to lock it in and also give me more of that mwaAAaah sound. With the compound radius it’s not as simple as others. So I want to get all this done at the same time.

Here is what the light revealed. You can clearly see that red line which is the flamed maple. The upper horn picture shows how the Ziricote goes right to the edges with no issue.

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And here are what these basses can look like when they have a clear finish. I think you can see why I kind of want to go for this. What do you figure???🤔

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I just got this used fretless and it’s beautiful!🤩 It seems to be hiding a secret though, which has me very intrigued!

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The big question is to refinish or not? Roll the dice and risk there could be a flaw? I’ve never had anything refinished. I would only be trusting this to a highly credible person with a long track record.

When you look in F-hole, you can see it’s a multiplayer top. This is an option with Dingwall that you have to pay for. So I emailed them to find out the specs. Sure enough, it has a flamed maple “contrast layer”. I don’t see it adding very much to the tone at all, as it’s only an eighth of an inch. So then the question is… Why pay for that and then have it mostly hidden with black burst stain?? 🤔

View attachment 7430209

Dingwall highly recommends I don’t refinish it because the black burst edges might be there to hide some wood grain anomaly that may not be appealing. I get that, but Ziricote rarely has issues unless it’s a sapwood. That’s just in the centre and I actually love how it looks! I have loved Ziricote for decades and always wanted an acoustic guitar with back sides that way. This is even better since it’s right there… But it needs to be seen!!

Walnut is also very consistent. If there was a knot or anything like that, I would actually like it.

So… I decided I would shine a bright light on it to try to see what’s under that stain and then get some pictures. Sure enough that contrast layer shows up right away. I also can’t see anything that looks “unappealing” anywhere, front back or sides. Multiple pictures are below.

Now, it needs heavier setup work because the fret lines are raised a hair, which makes certain notes basically fret out. This is expected for in an instrument that’s 13 years old. Wenge and Maple won’t move the same. I’m also contemplating getting a poly or CA finish done to the fretboard to lock it in and also give me more of that mwaAAaah sound. With the compound radius it’s not as simple as others. So I want to get all this done at the same time.

Here is what the light revealed. You can clearly see that red line which is the flamed maple. The upper horn picture shows how the Ziricote goes right to the edges with no issue.

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And here are what these basses can look like when they have a clear finish. I think you can see why I kind of want to go for this. What do you figure???🤔

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I like it as it is!
 
I just got this used fretless and it’s beautiful!🤩 It seems to be hiding a secret though, which has me very intrigued!

View attachment 7430208

The big question is to refinish or not? Roll the dice and risk there could be a flaw? I’ve never had anything refinished. I would only be trusting this to a highly credible person with a long track record.

When you look in F-hole, you can see it’s a multiplayer top. This is an option with Dingwall that you have to pay for. So I emailed them to find out the specs. Sure enough, it has a flamed maple “contrast layer”. I don’t see it adding very much to the tone at all, as it’s only an eighth of an inch. So then the question is… Why pay for that and then have it mostly hidden with black burst stain?? 🤔

View attachment 7430209

Dingwall highly recommends I don’t refinish it because the black burst edges might be there to hide some wood grain anomaly that may not be appealing. I get that, but Ziricote rarely has issues unless it’s a sapwood. That’s just in the centre and I actually love how it looks! I have loved Ziricote for decades and always wanted an acoustic guitar with back sides that way. This is even better since it’s right there… But it needs to be seen!!

Walnut is also very consistent. If there was a knot or anything like that, I would actually like it.

So… I decided I would shine a bright light on it to try to see what’s under that stain and then get some pictures. Sure enough that contrast layer shows up right away. I also can’t see anything that looks “unappealing” anywhere, front back or sides. Multiple pictures are below.

Now, it needs heavier setup work because the fret lines are raised a hair, which makes certain notes basically fret out. This is expected for in an instrument that’s 13 years old. Wenge and Maple won’t move the same. I’m also contemplating getting a poly or CA finish done to the fretboard to lock it in and also give me more of that mwaAAaah sound. With the compound radius it’s not as simple as others. So I want to get all this done at the same time.

Here is what the light revealed. You can clearly see that red line which is the flamed maple. The upper horn picture shows how the Ziricote goes right to the edges with no issue.

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And here are what these basses can look like when they have a clear finish. I think you can see why I kind of want to go for this. What do you figure???🤔

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Manufacturers often put solid and burst finishes on the instruments that have something to hide. It might not be ugly to you, but it will be some kind of inconsistency.
 
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I just got this used fretless and it’s beautiful!🤩 It seems to be hiding a secret though, which has me very intrigued!

View attachment 7430208

The big question is to refinish or not? Roll the dice and risk there could be a flaw? I’ve never had anything refinished. I would only be trusting this to a highly credible person with a long track record.

When you look in F-hole, you can see it’s a multiplayer top. This is an option with Dingwall that you have to pay for. So I emailed them to find out the specs. Sure enough, it has a flamed maple “contrast layer”. I don’t see it adding very much to the tone at all, as it’s only an eighth of an inch. So then the question is… Why pay for that and then have it mostly hidden with black burst stain?? 🤔

View attachment 7430209

Dingwall highly recommends I don’t refinish it because the black burst edges might be there to hide some wood grain anomaly that may not be appealing. I get that, but Ziricote rarely has issues unless it’s a sapwood. That’s just in the centre and I actually love how it looks! I have loved Ziricote for decades and always wanted an acoustic guitar with back sides that way. This is even better since it’s right there… But it needs to be seen!!

Walnut is also very consistent. If there was a knot or anything like that, I would actually like it.

So… I decided I would shine a bright light on it to try to see what’s under that stain and then get some pictures. Sure enough that contrast layer shows up right away. I also can’t see anything that looks “unappealing” anywhere, front back or sides. Multiple pictures are below.

Now, it needs heavier setup work because the fret lines are raised a hair, which makes certain notes basically fret out. This is expected for in an instrument that’s 13 years old. Wenge and Maple won’t move the same. I’m also contemplating getting a poly or CA finish done to the fretboard to lock it in and also give me more of that mwaAAaah sound. With the compound radius it’s not as simple as others. So I want to get all this done at the same time.

Here is what the light revealed. You can clearly see that red line which is the flamed maple. The upper horn picture shows how the Ziricote goes right to the edges with no issue.

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And here are what these basses can look like when they have a clear finish. I think you can see why I kind of want to go for this. What do you figure???🤔

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Very nice as it is to be honest, youv got to ask yourself is it worth the risk of loosing its aged look? Would a re-finish enhance it, or have you just got that re-finish bug?
 
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First just play it as is. It looks great and has honest wear.

Second would be, how is multiscale fretless?
I've built and played plenty of multiscale fretted basses but never dared doing a fretless multiscale.

Third is why would you ignore Dingwall's suggestion to not refinish?

And lastly you do realize the cost and effort required would be close to 1k?
And no guarantee of outcome.

Even if you did it yourself you're talking some major time to sand off the old, prep for new.
Then you have multiple coats of whatever finish you choose.

Good luck whatever you choose to do with it, I think it looks most awesome as is.
 
I'm guessing if they applied that finish, there is a good chance they are hiding something.

Manufacturers often put solid and burst finishes on the instruments that have something to hide. It might not be ugly to you, but it will be some kind of inconsistency.

Dingwall tech support is awesome. They did some checking with guys in the shop and said the only possible anomaly would be in the Walnut (if it is there at all). Well that is just the back and sides. Also, I love wood weirdness. Under a very bright light, I couldn't see anything odd under the stain

The other thing though, is that this is a custom build. So someone made this choice on purpose! I know if I was having a custom build done and they showed me some glitch I didn't like, I'd want them to start over with better wood. I know from all my reading that Dingwall will remake a whole bass for someone if they got it wrong. Now maybe they gave the original purchaser a discount.

Very nice as it is to be honest, youv got to ask yourself is it worth the risk of loosing its aged look? Would a re-finish enhance it, or have you just got that re-finish bug?
I have actually never had anything refinished in my life. I am SOOOO nervous about things like that! But Ziricote is SOOOO nice in clear stain. Their are natural colour variations and beauty there (pic below from an acoustic). Honestly, I would ask if the guys at Dingwall would do it. Some of them do work in the factory after hours on their own stuff (such as Simon and Paul). I would be VERY picky about who touches it... let alone sands it.

Ziricote in all of its clear finish beauty.
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