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Rig for Metal

JFace

JFace

Apr 17, 2008
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Columbus, OH
#1
I am trying to put together a loud rig useful for metal. I've concluded that I really like GK, and I want the mid punch that comes from 10 inch speakers, specifically in sealed cabs. That leads me to want a GK 1001-RBII with an NV610. Simple enough? Well, I'm thinking of putting another cab under this, and running it with a seperate amp. This will accomplish several things (theoretically):

-Provides lots of speakers
-Provides lots of power
-Puts the NV610 at ear level
-The smaller rig will be used for distortion to dirty up the sound
-The smaller rig can be taken to my other gigs, such as church services and jazz shows

Right now I'm considering an Avatar B212 and a GK 700-RB as the small rig. The Avatar is smaller and more portable.

Keep in mind that my band has one guitarist with a full stack, 100W tube amp, and we play EXTREMELY loud, in drop C tuning. We are looking into a second guitarist as well.

I'm looking for any suggestions on what would sound good as the smaller rig, given their usage listed above. Also, looking for any wisdom regarding this insane idea of mine.
 
#2
Look into basson bass cabinets. They were pretty much made for all types of music that rock hard and when your the type of guy who plays loud and wants to floor your audience with a kick in the nuts tone. I have a GK 2001RBP pre running into a Sansamp RBI(can switch it on and off), into a peavey GPS2600 power amp (2,600watts RMS @ 4ohms) into my basson 8x10 and it KILLS! But for what you wanna do, I would consider getting the basson 4x10 and the basson 1x15 or the 2x10. I also play in drop C like you and no other cabinet (mesa, ampeg, shroeder, eden, gk, etc) have been able to handle the lows and put them out there with authority like the basson. Plus the customer service is about 1,000x's better than any other company. Everytime you write basson you talk to Shawn which is the co-founder of Basson, not some dude who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about and he's probably one of the nicest dude's you'll ever talk to. Hope this helps man. Go to their website to look at their cabs. www.bassonsound.com
 
#3
Thanks. Basson looks pretty good, they are just super heavy. I'm wanting the smaller rig to be portable, and to sonically balance well with the NV610. Ideally it would be great as a standalone for my quiet gigs, as well as a distorted cab for the metal gigs.

I've heard 12s sound good overdriven compared to 10s. Is this true? That's why I'm looking at the Avatar B212, besides it being cheap, and just the right dimensions for going under the NV610.
 
#4
The speaker size doesn't matter so much for overdrive. The only problem I have with your idea is putting the overdrive cab on the floor. That would be disconcerting to me, and it may make you use too much OD because it's blowing past your ears. I would stack it on top.
 
#5
indeed, basson's are heavy, but the best cabs out there IMO. I've tried almost all of them and nothing compaired quite like the bassons. I've visted the Avatar shop once which is located up by Couer D' Alene, Idaho (I moved there for a month) from Boise, Idaho (where I reside). They do make some good products, but you can find much better.
 
#6
JimmyM said:
The speaker size doesn't matter so much for overdrive. The only problem I have with your idea is putting the overdrive cab on the floor. That would be disconcerting to me, and it may make you use too much OD because it's blowing past your ears. I would stack it on top.
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I figured as much. The footprint of the 212 is larger, so the 610 could sit on it nicely. But the 212 is lighter, so it would be easier to lift that than the 100 pound 610.
 
#8
If you're playing dropped then look into a good 15". Compared to my 2x10, my new GK 1x15 is far clearer on the lows and has great highs. It's very aggressive too. GK cuts like mad and I don't think you can go wrong with any GK gear when playing metal.
 
#9
GabeN said:
If you're playing dropped then look into a good 15". Compared to my 2x10, my new GK 1x15 is far clearer on the lows and has great highs. It's very aggressive too. GK cuts like mad and I don't think you can go wrong with any GK gear when playing metal.
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A single 15" will more than likely get drowned out by a 610. If you go 15"s with a 610, I'd get a 215 cab.
 
#11
SuperSnake2012 said:
I play the 1001RB-II with a 4x10 and I think that it's enough for metal. I have to keep it at 8'o clock on to not overpower the rest of the band. I think a 6x10 should be plenty... anything else might be too much amp :D
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It's not really for the sake of loudness (although it will certainly accomplish this). It's more for the sake of having a smaller rig to take to the quiet gigs. I figure if I'm going to have a second rig, I might as well use it to enhance my tone, thus the idea of biamping.
 
#12
My SWR stack works just fine for metal! You definitely need to toss in a 15, an 18, or even two 15s though for those lows. Mesa is worth checking out if you're willing to spend some serious dough. Most metal dudes I know swear by 'em.
 
#13
A few metal guys seem to stack 15's above 10's, the only reason I can think of is that they hear the low warmth of a 15 but still feel the punch of the 10's, rather then hearing the slighly higher register of the 10's and having the 15 rumbling below.

If your going for a 2 head setup then a single 15 on top of your NV610 might be kinda cool as the NVs aren't too tall anyway, that's if you can find a shallow enough 15 that you like the sound of, it'll probably have to be a sealed one. A 15 will give some really nice low grunt to the sound though wherever you put it, I always personally think it's better to have a nice distorted growl behind a cleaner higher end then the other way round, makes more sense to me if you wanna cut through.
 
#16
Metal Mitch said:
You get a tighter bottom by preventing the 15 from coupling with the floor. Punchier stage sound.
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Very interesting! Do you mean the cabinet itself, or just the 15" driver being above floor level? If it's the latter, that could explain Boogie's design of the 1x15" in the center of 4x10s.

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I would love to try two of these stacked on their sides!
 
#19
meatwad said:
Very interesting! Do you mean the cabinet itself, or just the 15" driver being above floor level? If it's the latter, that could explain Boogie's design of the 1x15" in the center of 4x10s.

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I would love to try two of these stacked on their sides!
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With a 4x10 plus 1x15 stack, the cab itself. Try it sometime. As long as you don't mind the 15 being at ear level, the stage sound tightens up a lot. It also puts your 10's down closer to the audience's ear level. ;)

The PH1000 is a whole different animal. :D
 

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