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Hi. My name is is Dave, the Golden Boy.

I've been playing the rock and roll bass guitar (as well as guitar) in bands for something like 40 years. Round about 30 years ago I got the bass cabs that have kind of defined my rock and roll bass playing. SWR Triad and Goliath II cabs. Round about 25 years ago I got my dream bass head, an SWR SM-900.

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I also have an SWR 2x15 cab:

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Mostly because of those cabs, I've determined that I like the sound of 15s. The bar gig world is a lot different than it was when I got those cabs. Most of the time, I played out with both cabs, no one looked at me funny. If I rolled in the 2x15 and I wasn't getting the side eye from the sound guy or bartender. These days, a lot of places have fancy setups that sound so much better than the good places sounded 20 years ago- and people are using in-ears and only showing up with a DI/pre. Then there's the big issue of the weight. I think the Triad is 90#, the Goliath 93# and the 2x15 is 115#. Most of the time these days I'm just playing out with the Triad- unless it's an outdoor show. I'm not getting any younger, my back is not getting any stronger, and this rig is not getting any lighter. So I'm thinking of overhauling my rig. I'm still dancing around in-ears- I don't like 'em. I like wedges and sidefills and cabinets flapping my pants legs.

My main gig these days is a Rolling Stones "tribute" band but do fill-ins and other projects. My main bass is an old Thunderbird. I've got a couple older thumpy basses and a Jazz and a G&L. I have a couple other heads, a Mesa/Boogie Bass 400+ and a Seymour Duncan 300x300 head, but pretty much exclusively play out the SWR head.


Since it's fun to spend other people's money - I'm asking the hive mind to evaluate my choices and maybe get some suggestions before I throw down and upend my entire bass playing life.

My secret plan is to get a head and 2 1x15 cabs. I'm not in any kind of hurry to implement this secret plan. My goal is to have a good sounding, lightweight, yet modular system to be easily transportable by someone in their 50s into their 60s. I'm not set on these choices-

For heads I think I'm looking between the Aguilar Tonehammer 700, the Mesa/Boogie Bass 800D and the D-800.

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Then for cabinets I'm looking at the Mesa 1x15.

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And the Aguilar 1x15 cab.

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Since you own a D400+, the natural choice looks like the 800D, but you said you always gig the SWR, so maybe the Mesa is not the flavor you like. You should probably audition as many of the newer, lightweight heads available out there.
Those Mesa 115’s have the reputation of being top notch. If time is not in a crunch, get out there and try a bunch of stuff.
 
I've tried to like the Aguilar 15 over and over again, and it just has the wrong midrange "punch" for me. It's more traditional sounding out of the box for me, but it likes to feel "slow" and a bit muddy for me.

But the Subway 15 is such a universal cab, it can take a bass bump, it can take a mid-bump, it doesn't sound nasal, and it doesn't sound boxy. Treat yourself and get two if you can withstand the carry (they're light). The new 800D is still an unknown quantity for me - I haven't tried one myself yet, but I'd have no problem with the D-800.

These days I play a lot of pop music, some rock, music theatre "review" shows, and most of it's stuck in the 1970s from before my time. When I can't bring my gear, I request a backline of one or two Subway 15s and a D-800 head (or an older Carbine M9 head) and I'm completely satisfied.
 
You said you have a 400+ but only play the SWR, is it because of the weight of the 400+?
Because the Mesa/Boogie Bass 800D is supposed to be a modern and lightweight recreation of the 400+, so if the tone is not your prefered, maybe you should look elsewhere.

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Normally I would recommend my prefered amps and cabs, Jad Freer Sisma and a Barefaced 1x12. But there are many great options available today, my best advice would be to try before you buy, and these two are almost impossible to try.
 
Check out the Bergantino reference 115 as well. But based on what you had before, the Mesa 800D and either 2x 115’s or the 2x15 would be a killer rig. I honestly prefer the 215 since it’s a tilt and roll.
Interesting you bring up Bergantino- A couple of years back I was on a bill with a guy who had a Bergantino 2x12- and that was the cab that got me to thinking about actually getting lighter cabs. I will look into this! Thank you!

Regarding the 2x15 thing- I completely agree with you- I have had station wagons since forever- and loading the 2x15 into the back of the wagon is easier than smaller cabs- as it's just "tilt and push" and not dead lifting a cab. So- yes in that respect it's easier loading that 2x15 into my car- where we run into issues is stairs. Plus- with the stages and monitors and PAs these days- I don't need 2x15s- hence my desire for a more "modular" setup. And the thought of putting a 40 lb cab in the car (or even 2) is still easier than pushing in a 115 pound cab.
 
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Well, that Mesa 800D with a pair of Subway 15’s would have you set for the rest of your life!

Fwiw, I think there’s a Subway 2x15 cab that won’t break your back.

Appreciate this post - my gear is not getting any lighter, but I’m sure not getting any stronger! 💪
What 👆🏼 he said! I echo, that combination would give you everything you need . . . . . . for life!
 
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Since you own a D400+, the natural choice looks like the 800D, but you said you always gig the SWR, so maybe the Mesa is not the flavor you like. You should probably audition as many of the newer, lightweight heads available out there.
Those Mesa 115’s have the reputation of being top notch. If time is not in a crunch, get out there and try a bunch of stuff.

You said you have a 400+ but only play the SWR, is it because of the weight of the 400+?
Because the Mesa/Boogie Bass 800D is supposed to be a modern and lightweight recreation of the 400+, so if the tone is not your prefered, maybe you should look elsewhere.



Normally I would recommend my prefered amps and cabs, Jad Freer Sisma and a Barefaced 1x12. But there are many great options available today, my best advice would be to try before you buy, and these two are almost impossible to try.
Thank you!

This is going to sound completely nutty- but around 20 years ago I was given a Bass 400+. I did not rack mount it, but dragged it around to maybe 5 shows- I loved playing it- it sounded great, it looks boobies ahoy, and for goodness sake, McCartney plays them... but I hated carrying it, hated setting it down, I was VERY conscious of breaking off the fuse holders and stuff on the back. I ended up giving it back to the guy who gave it to me. A couple years later he gave me another Bass 400+, but it was in pieces- and over the course of 10+ years I got it put back together, but still don't have handles and a few other things. Someone here used to give me grief for not just getting it taken care of... I finally did around 4 years ago.

So, the long answer is- I love the way the Bass 400+ sounds- I just can't be assed to carry it. (a couple of years ago, I even got a little dolly just to make carrying it easier... but, it's been played out ONCE since it's been tubed- but used for LOTS of practices and jams)



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I've tried to like the Aguilar 15 over and over again, and it just has the wrong midrange "punch" for me. It's more traditional sounding out of the box for me, but it likes to feel "slow" and a bit muddy for me.

But the Subway 15 is such a universal cab, it can take a bass bump, it can take a mid-bump, it doesn't sound nasal, and it doesn't sound boxy. Treat yourself and get two if you can withstand the carry (they're light). The new 800D is still an unknown quantity for me - I haven't tried one myself yet, but I'd have no problem with the D-800.

These days I play a lot of pop music, some rock, music theatre "review" shows, and most of it's stuck in the 1970s from before my time. When I can't bring my gear, I request a backline of one or two Subway 15s and a D-800 head (or an older Carbine M9 head) and I'm completely satisfied.
Great data points here. Thank you!
 
I can’t comment on how the amps you’re looking at compare to what you’ve got already, but I’ll join the avalanche of people saying the Mesa stuff is certainly worth a look. The 800D is the latest amp from them and there’s limited real world feedback on how it performs, but I can’t imagine it being anything bad.

As for cabs, I agree that sometimes one bigger cab can be easier to manage than you might think, making a 2x15 or even a 2x12 a decent choice. However the lightweight 12” cabs these days can pack a punch, particularly when stacked. Give the Mesa 112 cabs a test if you can.

My personal preference is Barefaced cabinets, which got a mention and pic above. They aren’t easily found, and not cheap, but they are easy to move and sound good with plenty of output. If you’ve got interest in the exotic, give them a look. Otherwise, there’s plenty of great stuff available without importing from across the ocean.
 
The 800D is the latest amp from them and there’s limited real world feedback on how it performs, but I can’t imagine it being anything bad.
Here’s a link to the Mesa 800D thread that started the date it was released, September and is now up to 122 pages long. Lots of info.
You could also contact @Al Kraft or @gustobassman since they have extensive experience with the demo/prototypes prior to production.

I had an Aguilar TH700, Bergantino Forte HP2 and a Bergantino Forte D. Sold them and replaced with a Mesa WD800 and instantly fell in love with Mesa amps.
Ended up ordering the 800D and I knew it was the perfect fit from the first note.
I sold the WD800 and bought a TT800 as a backup and couldn’t be happier.

 
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Here’s a link to the Mesa 800D thread that started the date it was released, September and is now up to 122 pages long. Lots of info.
You could also contact @Al Kraft or @gustobassman since they have extensive experience with the demo/prototypes prior to production.


That’s a pretty impressive amount of posts for an amp released in September.