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Rogue Viola (VB100) Bass Club

Ok, so how hollow is hollow? I also felt the bridge pickup is on the weak side so while changing strings I removed the pup just to snoop around and noticed there's a block of wood under the bridge and also another between both pups? This is a fairly new VB-100 where I didn't see the block between pick ups in other ones I've owned. No big deal, I don't hear any big changes, just wondered why they decided to use another wood block.
 
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hi guys ! i'm new to the forum !! soo i got the VB100 viola bass like a month ago from MF everything was fine , the feel the construction it's good but i started to notice something on the fretboard, it seems that de rosewood it's starting to come off i don't know why or how , do you think that i sould returned for a exchange?? i got a 2 year warranty... what do you think??? i havent seen this behavior on a bass or guitar in my entire life thoughts ??
 

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I can't really tell what's going on there, from the pictures. But, if the fretboard is coming off the neck (and I'll take your word for it)? Yes, since it's under warranty, send it back. That's what warranties are for. It's not like you can't get another one - which is the case with some of mine...:)
 
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And, to answer the "how hollow..." question... while it's not exactly common to have a block under a floating bridge, it's not unheard of. The strings are exerting considerable pressure on the bridge; if there's nothing underneath it, the body caving in there is a possibility- in the long run. Seems to be a fairly common problem with old acoustic guitars, for example... And, it's also not uncommon to have a small block of wood - or something - to help support the top. Different makes use different methods. Basically, as long as a bug can crawl from one side of the body to the other, it's considered a "Hollow body". If there's a solid block of wood that supports the top, and runs the length of the body - and the bug can't crawl from one side to the other? That's a "Semi-hollow body". Your VB-100 is still a hollow body, those wooden blocks not withstanding...:thumbsup:
 
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And, to answer the "how hollow..." question... while it's not exactly common to have a block under a floating bridge, it's not unheard of. The strings are exerting considerable pressure on the bridge; if there's nothing underneath it, the body caving in there is a possibility- in the long run. Seems to be a fairly common problem with old acoustic guitars, for example... And, it's also not uncommon to have a small block of wood - or something - to help support the top. Different makes use different methods. Basically, as long as a bug can crawl from one side of the body to the other, it's considered a "Hollow body". If there's a solid block of wood that supports the top, and runs the length of the body - and the bug can't crawl from one side to the other? That's a "Semi-hollow body". Your VB-100 is still a hollow body, those wooden blocks not withstanding...:thumbsup:

Good explanation, I like the bug analogy. Basically want to keep this the VB100 bass club going. Though I don't gig, I've had a few VB100'S come and go I like trading and I have the habit of peeking inside of them (looking for bugs) and I noticed the newer one I purchased having the double blocks.
Not much else to add that we don't already know... the usual weak bridge pickup, a high fret here and there, neck dive etc but over all though a nice bass for the buck once properly tweaked.
 
Hey @Lo-Hz, how's the reno going? Have you put the new Allparts PUs in yet?

The project has been on the back burner for a while, since we've had about 3 weeks of cold and rain here in SoCal (yes, SoCal!), I haven't been able to go outside and paint the headstock. I sent a drawing off to Pickguardian to have new pickup bezels made. Should have those next week and I hope to start painting the headstock this weekend.
 
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Ok, here's an update (of sorts). Rain has only let up a day or two at a time for over a month now, so I still haven't been able to paint the headstock, however, I should have pickup rings from Pickguardian next week as well as the waterslide decal for the headstock.

I've decided to change direction a little with this project. I was originally trying to make this as much of a Hofner clone as possible. I got the Hofner tailpiece, the teacup knobs, I altered the control plate to make it look more like the Hofner's, I even had a Hofner waterslide decal made... but in order to stay faithful to that, I would have to make too many compromises, and there are some things (like the pickup bezels, the flame maple top/finish) that can never be like a Hofner 500/1, so I'm gonna do my own thing with this bass instead.

I'm still not happy with the idea of having to live with the stock controls. If they weren't on a PCB, I'd be able to rewire it the way I want it, and I'd want to upgrade the pots and switches at some point, anyway, so I'm going to have to deviate in that area. I'm thinking three pots, like on an Epi Viola except instead of VVT, I'm going to go VBT, on maybe a tortoise control plate with... different knobs (haven't decided what kind yet, but probably not teacup).

Since I no longer had to conform to something that looks like Hofner tuners, I felt a little freedom in that area, until I realized that there's not a whole lot of choice when it comes to bass tuners. Different brands, yes, but different styles?Not so much... There's either the Fender-style, clover-key type tuners or the modern-style tuners (like the ones that came on the bass), but not much else. I guess I'll stick with the original plan of using banjo tuner buttons there, as anything else just doesn't look right.

I'm also going to put my own logo on the headstock.
 
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Finally had a few days this week that weren't rainy, windy or too cold to spray, so I took advantage of the break in the weather (there's a massive storm coming in tomorrow!) to paint the 'binding' on the headstock.

It didn't come out as clean as I had hoped. Had a few spots where there was some paint creep under the tape, but I believe I can clean it up with an exacto knife or a razor blade.

Left side - There's a couple of spots near the top of the headstock and it's a little rough down toward the nut.

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Right side - Came out a little better. There is one little spot near the top, but I think I might leave that alone. Sometimes you have to ask yourself; might you make it worse by trying to fix it?

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Top - another leak.

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I may have gone a little too heavy on the top of the headstock. On the first coat, it was a little light compared to the sides, so I may have over-compensated when I prayed the second coat. Left a heavy run on the front of the headstock that I'll have to sand down level before I paint it black.

Both the pickup rings and the waterslide decals have shipped, so I hope to have them either tomorrow or Monday. In the meantime, while it's pouring outside, I can clean up the rough spots and sand the face of the headstock in preparation for paint. I'll also buff the 'binding' a little too. The paint built up a bit and you can feel the edge. I'll try to make it a smoother transition.

Then I'll tape over the binding and wait for it to stop raining again (whenever that may be) so I can spray black.
 
Ok, I cleaned up all of the leaks in the white 'binding' with an x-acto knife. Just put down a piece of masking tape to use as a guide and lightly scored/scraped the paint off with the x-acto blade. It all cleaned up quite nicely, but I CANNOT recommend the use of 3M Blue painter's tape for this application. It may be fine for water-based paints, like latex, but doesn't hold up to solvent-based paint. With the white, I thought I might have been a little too heavy-handed, but I taped and sprayed black on the front of the headstock today and I went pretty light. It covered pretty quickly, so I didn't have to spray a whole lot, but the results were still less than what I'd call clean:

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All kinds of creep... All the way around.

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The right side of the headstock actually wasn't that bad, but it still needed a little cleaning up. According to my perfectionist nature).

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I don't think the pics show it as bad as it truly looked, but I didn't panic. I was glad that I decided not to wait a day or two before removing the tape. I just waited until it was dry to the touch because, I knew I would have a better chance of cleaning up rough spots before the paint completely cured.

I wasn't sure exactly what to do at this point (did I mention that this is the first time I've attempted painting binding on a headstock??). I originally considered sanding the black paint back with 600 or 800 grit sandpaper, but then I would have to wait until the paint cured, otherwise sanding it would just smudge the black paint into the white and make a mess. I also wanted to try a less aggressive method first. With sanding, I'd be concerned about taking off too much of the white as well as the black.

The white paint has been drying for a week, so it's fully cured by now and can probably stand up to a mild solvent if I'm careful and go lightly. Acetone would probably be my first choice for something like this, as it's fast evaporating and poses the least risk for the layer of white, but just out of curiosity, I tried rubbing alcohol on a Q-tip first and it worked brilliantly! I could use the Q-tip as a tool to rub the black paint back to a smooth, clean line all around the edges of the headstock.

For a first attempt (heck, for a 21st attempt) I couldn't be happier with the results (Sorry about the photo quality. Photobucket sometimes make pics a little blurry when you reduce them, for some reason):

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The challenge with painting the binding on this headstock came from the fact that the edges of the headstock are not sharp and square. There's a lot of spots where they rolled over the edge when sanding and the headstock has slightly less than uniform thickness from left to right, so I had to compensate for that.

On the left-hand corner of the headstock, the point had been flattened a little on the front (you can see that the point is a little rough in the photo directly above. You have to catch it at the right angle to even notice it, so it doesn't bother me that much).

There are all kinds of inconsistencies all around the headstock that make it hard to maintain what looks like a band of uniform thickness all around the perimeter. When you're laying the masking tape down, you have to look at it from all angles to get a sense of what it's going to look like. I had positioned and re-positioned the tape several times, and often, where I positioned the tape seemed counter-intuitive when looking at it from the side, but when you look at it from the front of the headstock, it made perfect sense.

The fact that it looks uniform all the way around is partly an optical illusion... I had to fudge it a bit. This came into play when I was rubbing back the black too.

Anyway, I'm delighted with the way it came out. Whenever I attempt stuff like this for the first time, it's usually a lot of trial and error and starting from scratch again, or attempting a series of heroic 'fixes', which often times make it worse. I like it when everything comes out right the first time and bumps in the road are easily overcome.

Now I'll give the paint a few days of drying time and I'll lay down a base-coat of poly. I seem to be having some communication problems with the guy who does my waterslide decals, so hopefully, I can get that sorted out soon and get my logo on there. Then seal everything with a few more layers of poly.
 
Ok, I got my new waterslides in today.

I was going to go with this:

[edit] I don't know what Photobucket does to my pics, but they always look fuzzy when I post them on forums!

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But I think I'd rather go with this instead (my new user name, for those who haven't noticed):

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So now, I can get the decal on and start spraying poly to finish the headstock. By the time I'm done with that, my pickup bezels should be here. I'm embarrassed to admit, I had to have another set made. There was a little bit of confusion about the inner dimensions of the pickup rings. Totally my fault, so I had to cough up another $25 and wait another 2 weeks. They look really nice, though. Not that rough-hewn, cheap grade plastic that the stock bezels were made of. Tony polishes and puts a shallow radius on the edges too. Looks top-shelf.

And yes, @Stdjazz4 I got the banjo tuner buttons this week from Stewmac too. Installed them on all the tuners. They fit perfectly. They're actually pretty nice too. I thought they were going to be all cheap and plasticy, but they look and feel legit. Made of the stuff they used back in the day.

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I also got a pair of gold, top-hat reflector knobs, just to do something different. I couldn't get a good picture of them, but y'all know what they look like. I may not stick with them, but I feel like my choices are limited. The Epi Viola has gold bell knobs, so I don't want that, and since I'm no longer trying to make a Hofner clone out of it, the tea-cup knobs no longer make sense. I don't want barrel knobs like a Fender and I sure as hell don't want speed knobs.

Maybe I should go completely off script and get black chrome skirted knobs with abalone inserts (whaaaaa??).

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Before you scoff... I've used these knobs on another vintage-style guitar and I thik it worked really well (I designed the PG too).

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I decided I'm going to wait until tomorrow to start spraying the poly in order to let my touch-ups and tinting to the binding completely dry. In the meantime, I couldn't resist doing a 'dry-fit' of the tuners and the black bushings that I ordered.

Originally, I was going to replace the tuners with a set that's similar to the ones that Hofner uses (I think they're Grover "Sta-Tite" tuners), but I would have to fill the holes in the headstock and re-drill, which would destroy the trans finish on the back of the headstock and require me to paint it all black, or some opaque color that closely matches the rest of the bass in order to cover up the mod. Also, I just have a hard time believing those wimpy guitar tuners will hold up over time, or be reliable.

Now if I'm not going to use smaller tuners, I want to diminish the appearance of the stock tuners as much as possible, so I ordered some black bushings and washers to replace the chrome-plated ones. One of the things I didn't like about the look of these tuners (and the tuners on the Epi Viola that I used to own) is all that chrome really dominates the headstock and draws attention to itself. I wanted to make it a little more understated.

Whaddaya think?

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I guess I should have used some wood filler when I replaced that chip that got knocked off on the lower right of the headstock. I thought I had sanded it completely smooth prior to painting, and it looked pretty invisible immediately after painting, but it looks like the paint has shrunk right into that fissure over time. I'm going to leave it alone, though. It won't be as noticeable after a few coats of poly, and sanded level. The camera flash makes it look worse than it really is.

I will take my dremel to the hole on the tops of those tuner buttons and counter-sink them a little more, though.
 
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