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Rudiments

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Tyghej

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Feb 17, 2013
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#1
Hey, im a new member to this forum, and really been enjoying reading lots of the threads, so much information here its great, so thanks for that!

Recently I've been really trying to work on my rhythm, practicing various divisions over time signatures, changing the beat placement of grooves i already know.... etc

But i remember being taught some simple drum rudiments ie paradiddle and really enjoyed/enjoy putting it to bass.
Im tring to practice my scales and arpeggios with groove so i develop both at the same time, but cant find anything specifically on rudiments.

I guess you could argue the definition of Rudiment -
But i guess i want to see it almost as fixed as a common scale, that i can learn and lock down and build on. if that makes sense?.....

Can anyone recomend any books, or helpful information, i was thinking of just buying some drummer rudiment books, or maybe there are some good bass ones ive havent spotted yet?....

Thanks for your time!

j
 
#4
Im sure ill learn alot from that book, especially as im trying to develop my site reading too.
But would like to see something if anyone knows, more on rhythmical patterns, people talk about practicing their rudiments, are there like specific bass rudiments that players pracitce? theres a lot of drum exercise books based on this stuff, but not for bass - that im aware of....
 
#5
"Rudiments" as far as drumming go refer to the different techniques of stick control that can be presented to a drummer. Most are involved with orchestral, band, or solo literature. But the technique gained in learning them is helpful no matter what you music you play percussion with.
As far as 'Bass Rudiments' go, there really isn't a collection of things like that for bass, nor is that term really used in the same way.
That said, there are a number of techniques that are present in bass playing that a good and well trained player will be able to do. Scales, arpeggios and chords are among that list. Also things like tapping, slap, harmonics (natural and artifical) finger/pick etc etc would be considered useful techniques.
I'm sure all of these have been and will be discussed in detail on Talkbass, so keep searching, reading and asking. There's a world of information around here.
 
#6
Thanks for your reply, i understand what you mean with how 'Rudiments' mainly refer to drums.... i guess im looking for some rhythmical patterns/exercises that will get me out of rhymical rutts...
Sure learning songs and bass lines/solos i would learn lots of new rhythms, and its something i do, and learn a lot from it. I just wondered whether there was any fixed patterns i could play with, that could be used in my daily scale practices, rather then just divisions.
theres so much stuff on notes and scales and technique, which i feel im pretty together with..... im looing for rhythms i can apply scales and technique too. its just a different approach i want to explore;

For example, when i learned a paradiddle
R = Right L = Left
R L R R LR L L

it came out in my playing and i used it with some octaves and i came up with some cool bass lines, by subconciously using this as the bassis and developing it.

Maybe like i said i should just get a drum book of basic patterns, im just looking for new things to explore and play with.....
 
#7
If you watch Victor Wootens Groove Workshop video he and Anthony Wellington go into a section where the talk about applying Drum Rudiments to bass and coming up with variations using Slap Technique.

Back in the 80's or 90's on one of Billy Sheehans Cherry Lane instructional videos he talks a little about applying drum rudiments to he 2 handed tapping.

C/S,
Rev J
 
#9
If it's rhythmic patterns you want, the "Modern Reading" book, or one of many other books used to shed different rhythms would fit the bill.

If, as your post regarding the paradiddle pattern suggests, you're looking for books that have excercises devoted to different combinations of left- and right-hand fingerings, you might have a harder time finding something like that. If you want left hand (or whichever hand you use to stop the notes) patterns, you could simply write your own - using the "1-finger-per-fret" technique, come up with some variation on all the possibilities using all 4 fingers (i.e. - play the following over 16th notes: 1234, 1324, 1342, 4321, 4231, etc...).

If it's right hand/plucking permuations, those types of exercise aren't really common to bass, as far as I'm aware. As bassists, we should all strive for a good fundamental sound, and if you're a fingerstyle player who uses at least 2 fingers of their plucking hand, your goal should be able to have each finger produce notes of equal volume and attack to every other finger. There's really no musical reason that I can think of to introduce some sort of non-alternating pattern into the usual default of having your plucking fingers alternate back and forth.
 
#13
the_stone said:
If it's rhythmic patterns you want, the "Modern Reading" book, or one of many other books used to shed different rhythms would fit the bill.

If, as your post regarding the paradiddle pattern suggests, you're looking for books that have excercises devoted to different combinations of left- and right-hand fingerings, you might have a harder time finding something like that. If you want left hand (or whichever hand you use to stop the notes) patterns, you could simply write your own - using the "1-finger-per-fret" technique, come up with some variation on all the possibilities using all 4 fingers (i.e. - play the following over 16th notes: 1234, 1324, 1342, 4321, 4231, etc...).

The easy way (assuming you are right handed):

Pluck with Right Hand, Hammer with Left Hand.

or

Tap with Right Hand, Hammer with Left Hand.

C/S,
Rev J
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#14
I just found this. I started slapping seriously here recently and after learning the double pluck/pop I started applying rudiments to my right hand. You can get some interesting combo's between using mutes, dead notes, slaps, and pops. Even muted notes have an interesting character. Here's some I've been working on.

Double stroke roll could be: Slap slap pop pop
Paradiddle could be: Slap pop slap slap/ Pop slap pop pop
Inverted Paradiddle could be: slap pop pop Slap/ pop slap slap Pop
Double Paradiddle could be: Slap pop slap pop slap slap/ Pop slap pop slap pop pop

You could also substitute hammer-on's and slides in the place of the double's. You can also of course play louder on the accents and incorporate the left and slap into this to make some awesome grooves. I'm sure later on you can place flam's in there as well for the flam style rudiments to create more grooves.

Just like a drummer will play a double on one hand to free up time for another hand on the kit the same might be true for building a groove where you need a lil extra time to hit a pop or a thump in a certain position on the neck. Just my two cents.
 

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