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Rumble 500 vs Ampeg Rocketbass RB-210

I've owned 2 Rumble 500 combos. I really wanted to like them, but both were rattleboxes. Maybe I was unlucky, but I've had the rattlebox effect with 2 Rumble 500s and 2 Rumble 100s. Not sure what it was, but I tightened every screw on each combo and it still was there. I don't have any experience with the RB210, but I do have a RB112 and really like it. It has a more vintage sound than the Rumble 100 and looks better too imo. When playing it at rehearsal, you can actually feel the bass which is impressive for a 100 watt combo. The Rumble 100 has better mids and highs IMO, but feels super cheap to me. The Ampeg feels like its very well built and solid. With the ampeg, I crank the Mids up all the way with the bass and treble at about 2 or 3 oclock. It really sounds great in a mix and gets plenty loud too.
 
I worked in a music store, and borrowed a new - with intent on owning the 90's version of the 100 watt Rocket 1-15 combo. The amp sounded good, until you played below the fifth fret on the 'E' string, and then, it ran out of steam pretty annoyingly, on the gigs I played with it. The rear ports, also created some stage waves that were unacceptable. I returned it. I bought an Ampeg B-248, which sounded incredible in the store. Took it to a gig- all 100 pounds plus of it, and it was like a bass kazoo at band levels. Also rear ports. Hated that thing. But, I owned it by then, so, it was like my boat anchor until I thankfully sold it. Then, I bought a pretty expensive- for is time, SWR Workingman's 12. O.K. for upright, but like all SWR gear, it was overpriced, and pretty much useless for the electric bass Casino gigs I was doing at the time. Again, a small rear ported cab. The advent of neo speakers has been a real blessing for bassists. I currently own a Rumble 200. I compared it side by side with a Rumble 500 at good old Guitar Sphincter- and even though you can feel the higher power of the 500- 2-10 Rumble - the 200 handled the low notes better.
There was a brand new 500 as a house amp in town at the jams. It broke up at 'blues' level playing, not a fan of that. I also played on occcasion, a Rumble 200 at another house jam in town. The 200 was more efficient at band volumes. I've also played a Rumble 100 at some of these. The bass was completely buried, and unusable at real standard (not loud at all) band volumes. I love the light weight of the Rumble combo. What I don't like at all, is what I know from decades of experience, yet keep trying to deny, going on well over a half-Century doing gigs now. Combos, literally are like having too small a caliber when you are facing a charging Bear in the woods. You're just fine, until you need the firepower. Band gets a little loud? You are STUCK with THAT amp, in THAT cabinet. If you are in a controlled setting, with bass in your monitor, no problem. I have now had several experiences with my 200, that proved this reality to me yet again. The 200 weighs about 35 pounds. I did a gig where I used it but had some issues. I decided to leave it home on the last one. I took my Carvin BX 500 head, and my Carvin BRX 10.2 neo cab.. about 50 pounds for both. The Carvin rig was vastly superior to the Rumble, and the weight difference was tolerable, especially considering the performance. The other thing- is the Rumble series has a non defeatable limiting circuit. I despise those. A good, efficient 2-10 cab- or even a 2-12- and a Class 'D' head like my Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0, will destroy the typical combo. With the modular approach, I can take different cabs to suit the gig- like my super light Epifani 1-12 UL. and have a better rig.
 
Like others I A-B’d the Rumble 500 versus the BA-210. Both sounded great, the BA’s awkward monitor shape and slightly bigger heavier cabinet plus a serious case of Rumble 500 GAS were what sealed it for me. At the time I had also played a few BA 210’s used that had cabinet rattles and I was worried I might be fine on day one and deteriorate just after the warranty period.

The new RB’s look great and with the Yamaha ownership I imagine any concerns about build quality and developing rattles are less than under the previous owners…..
 
On another note: I bought the Ampeg cover for my RB210. It is made of very tough fabric and has about a half inch of rugged padding(hard to fold it up small)and a large pocket.

In the past I have had covers for other amps. None of the factory ones were anywhere near as nice as the Ampeg RB covers
 
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...The Rumbles are fine in their own right...but I've also found they can lack a certain "oomph" in a band mix, and get a bit lost.

I can confirm, this was my experience too. I owned the Rumble 100 and two of the Rumble 1x15 cabinets. There is a mid-scoop baked into the speakers and also the amp itself. You can bypass or try to boost mids to the amp to compensate, but with speakers it's a bit more tricky. It's hard to emphasize what isn't all there to begin with. Throw in the band mix and you'll find your note definition (or sometimes your signal altogether) getting rather lost.

Lots of low-end though! Can't accuse them of false advertisement! They named them "Rumble" and not "Cut"! :smug:
 
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... ... ... Combos, literally are like having too small a caliber when you are facing a charging Bear in the woods. You're just fine, until you need the firepower. Band gets a little loud? You are STUCK with THAT amp, in THAT cabinet. ... ... ...


But, ... uh, ... you can add an extension cab to the higher powered combos, like the 200 & 500, to get unstuck with a bigger caliber. Or, even chain two small lightweight combos together, one controlling the other (with or without extension cabs for even more firepower!). Plenty of flexibility.
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Rumble 500 owner here - I like it because I'm no longer playing in bands, almost retired, wanted an amp that sounded good at lower to mid-level volumes, and the 500 won out for me in that category, plus the weight factor, of course. Now don't flame on me for this, but it's funny, I went to my local GC last week, and just for the hell of it, plugged into an Acoustic B600C. Holy moly, that's a powerhouse "little" amp. I say little, because it's a squat little 2-10" tank that can crank 420 watts stand-a-lone, 600 with an extension cab. I know, it's not the original Acoustic Corporation Control company from Van Nuys, Ca., I know it's made in China, I know it's a GC/Musicians friend entity, and I know it weighs a ton because of the particle board structure, which puts it a whopping 62 lbs. Yeah, that's "old days" weight. Just telling you about my experience...and btw, my first amp was the original Acoustic 136 combo in 1974. But I digress...I think if there's one other combo I'd at least take a listen to, it would be the Peavey Max 300. Haven't seen any of the Max's at GC in a long time, not sure if it's a supply issue, but played through one last year, and was impressed. At any rate, best of luck with your search and decision.
 
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I can confirm, this was my experience too. I owned the Rumble 100 and two of the Rumble 1x15 cabinets. There is a mid-scoop baked into the speakers and also the amp itself. You can bypass or try to boost mids to the amp to compensate, but with speakers it's a bit more tricky. It's hard to emphasize what isn't all there to begin with. Throw in the band mix and you'll find your note definition (or sometimes your signal altogether) getting rather lost.

Lots of low-end though! Can't accuse them of false advertisement! They named them "Rumble" and not "Cut"! :smug:

Yes, I generally have the bass eq cut on the Rumble.
 
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Like others I A-B’d the Rumble 500 versus the BA-210. Both sounded great, the BA’s awkward monitor shape and slightly bigger heavier cabinet plus a serious case of Rumble 500 GAS were what sealed it for me. At the time I had also played a few BA 210’s used that had cabinet rattles and I was worried I might be fine on day one and deteriorate just after the warranty period.

The new RB’s look great and with the Yamaha ownership I imagine any concerns about build quality and developing rattles are less than under the previous owners…..

I also A/B'ed the BA 210 right alongside both Rumbles. The Ampeg was a stronger, more punchy combo. All of your points are among the reasons why I passed. It's just too damn heavy. I owned a recent - several years ago now, Portaflex PF500 with the 210 cab. My 'adventure' with that amp and cabinet, are documented on TB somewhere. I had to install two different motherboards in that amp to finally get it to work, after the original stopped working. The cabinet- would simply not produce any lows at all! Sealed cab, and those drivers were horrible. I even tried to install some Eminence Neos, - better, but the cab just doesn't work. Sad, because even though it's made overseas, the cabinet fit and finish- and the woodworking, were all top notch. This from a guy that used to rehearse right across the street from the Ampeg Company, in Woodside, Queens, N.Y.! I've owned a lot of gear from Ampeg in my life, and I think my 66 B-15N and my '69 SVT with dolly cab were the best amps they ever made. I don't look at Ampeg stuff now when I'm shopping, due to my issues with their gear recently.
I also played through one of the recent Peavey 1-15 combos. The amp sounded GREAT, but had a SERIOUS, deal breaking front grille rattle at certain frequencies. I mentioned that here on TB, and got a Peavey rep to respond. Result? I don't see those 1-15 combos on the floor displays anymore. Did they fix that issue? I don't know. They were heavy, too. If it didn't rattle like the trunklid of a boom box thug's Honda, I would have likely bought it, it was that good.
 
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But, ... uh, ... you can add an extension cab to the higher powered combos, like the 200 & 500, to get unstuck with a bigger caliber. Or, even chain two small lightweight combos together, one controlling the other (with or without extension cabs for even more firepower!). Plenty of flexibility.
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That defeats the entire purpose of having a single piece to load in. That's why combos are popular. I love the one hand load in, and yes, I have used the Rumble 200 with an extension. My point of view is this- if I'm going to carry two pieces to get a good, powerful, controlled bass sound onstage, and into the room.. I'd rather take one of my Class 'D' heads, and select one of my seven or eight cabs, depending on the gig. If I take my Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0, and my Carvin BRX, it sounds killer- but I need to be careful, as the Shuttle is 900 at 4 ohms, and the cab is 600 watts- 4 ohms. Or, I can run two 35 pound cabs, and that head..and it'll be a lot better than the Rumble 200 and any extension.
 
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I played both and have decided on the Rumble 500 over the RB2120. The RB just didnt have the "boom" I was looking for, Iplayed them side by side and the Rumble just had more oomph to it. I really wanted to like the RB 210 but just couldn't. Plus the rumble is a little cheaper and a little lighter.


Attaboy, stub! Come tell us about your Rumble in the Fender Rumble Club and get your free membership! Pix aren't required, but are encouraged. ;)
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I ABed the two of them last week. I had played a rumble 100 many times, and there was an inherent shyness in the upper mids that to me took away some clarity. I had a rumble 115 cab that sounded pretty good, and was more balanced up high. I was curious which was the 500 would lean, but to me it sounded exactly like the 100 I had used, just louder. I wasn’t a big fan. The rumble 200 actually sounded better to me, closer to my experience with the 115 cab. If I had to choose between them, I’d go with the 200.

The RB212 on the other hand sounded clear through the whole range, and just had a bigger and more extended low and high end to me. The eq was simple but effective. I ended up ordering one and will try it out this Friday on a gig.
 
I have a Rumble 500 and a RB115.
Usually I’m an Ampeg guy but I must give credit to the Rumble for serving me good for many years.
The RB is much more weak sounding and vintage voiced and mostly stays at home as a good practice amp. The sound is good, mellow and warm, but when I come out to live playing in different environments the Rumble has much more of practical sound and power. The Rumble is also on the vintage side of the spectrum but has a lot more cut through power. They’re both equally light and transportable and are about the same size. Both are good combos but if I should just keep one it would be the Rumble because it’s more versatile tone vise and has power for most situations.
It hurts me a bit because I’d like to like the RB more and playing alone at low volumes I prefer that sound but in the real world the Rumble gives me more of what I need when things get louder. And it still sounds really good as well.

Try the RB 210 with or without the extension cab. Bliss!
 

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