Running a Rolls 351 in Stereo Help Needed

[musicman7722]

I use a Mickie DL32r mixer and the aux outs are all xlr. My drummer uses a Rolls PM? unit. It has a balanced line in. I know I need to set the jumper pin to stereo but for the life of me can't figure out what cables to use so I run 2 aux outs to him that will terminate into a balanced - stereo 1/4".

Any ideas?

 

[DonaldR]

I think the PM is unbalanced stereo aux-in.

 

[musicman7722]

Thanks but that wasn't my question. I need to terminate two XLR outs into a stereo 1/4" end

 

[DonaldR]

...what cables to use so I run 2 aux outs to him that will terminate into a balanced - stereo 1/4".

Sorry my interpretation of balanced - stereo. You meant TRS 1/4".
This might help you: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

 

[musicman7722]

Thank you for the link. It didn't provide a solution. Here is a screen shot of my devices.

 

[EastCoastThump]

https://www.amazon.com/TISINO-Y-Adapter-Unbalanced-Headphone-Breakout/dp/B07HFSV3NB

dual female XLR to TRS 1/4"

 

[musicman7722]

That one looks good than you

 

[DeepFriedBass]

Nothing quite like an adapter!

 

[musicman7722]

Now that I know what to look for I am expanding it so the 1/4" out will be a male XLR because the drummer has a nice long xlr to stereo 1/4" cable all ready.

TY All

 

[Somanytoys]

I have one of these (Rolls), but haven't really used it yet.

Quick question on this scenario - is it necessary to feed it a stereo signal from the mixer, or are you doing this just because the Rolls will accept stereo?

I'm asking because it seems like if nothing is faded to only one side from the mixer (that might be missed in mono), a single aux out from the mixer converted to a 1/4" TS or TRS, with the Rolls in mono mode, would suffice. I'm sure it may not sounds as nice as stereo, but functional.

I have some XLR dual ends (m-m/f-f) and 1/4" converters, and I'm curious if it's worth going through all of that effort for the stereo signal.

 

[musicman7722]

This is a very common misunderstanding about using IEM in stereo. By running everything into two channels and them to your broadcast device be it a mixer, a Rolls or a wireless IEM unit you in essence create a stereo mode mix. Now you can pan each channel left or right per your taste and it will appear in your ear mix as panned. This really creates space in your head. In my band we have 5 players. All but one uses IEM. The guitar player has bad ears so he gets a wedge. Also in my band there are no stage amps so the only volume coming off the stage is from drums and his wedge. Amazing difference to the audience sound when the mains aren't fighting the stage for volume.

My mixer allows 12 aux outs s we all can go stereo.

OK in my mix I place my bass, my voice and the kick dead center. I then take the two lead singers and pan them each to about 2 and 10 in my mix. Both guitars are panned maybe 3 and 9 and the keyboard is maybe at 1.

Everything else is left centered.

The effect is amazing, you can hear the nuances of every singer and instrument whereas before it was a jumbled mono mess.

Hope this helps?

 

[Somanytoys]

I think so, and it's good info, I appreciate it.

I don't have IEMs, I'll probably have to get some eventually, or just be the wedge guy, which should just be mono anyway, right?

I know that the difference of having a stereo mix is worth the trouble, but say if there is a certain situation where there aren't the right cables, or too few outputs to feed everyone, etc., going mono will suffice, correct?

 

[walterw]

My drummer uses a Rolls PM? unit.

what does he do with it?

is it just a headphone amp or is he passing through certain things separate from the monitor mix he gets from you?

it may be that the rolls is the wrong box anyway, what he needs is just a stereo headphone amp, something like this:

he could also use a cheap little notebook mixer:

 

[musicman7722]

In our band each musician has their own monitor mix and they control each channels volume and pan via their ipad or volume only via their iPhone. The Rolls in this excample is just the power amp so to speak for their IEM ear buds.

 

[musicman7722]

Also he wants to stay with this box because his other bands uses a Mackie DL1608 digital board. On that older model board the aux outs are all 1/4" not XLR.

 

[walterw]

In our band each musician has their own monitor mix and they control each channels volume and pan via their ipad or volume only via their iPhone. The Rolls in this example is just the power amp so to speak for their IEM ear buds.

so they're all on stereo IEMs?

luxury!



i'm still the only one in any of my bands who asks for stereo IEMs, i haven't yet managed to convince the rest of 'em why its so much better than mono

 

[musicman7722]

Well the guitar player who uses a wedge isn't and I am working on the drummers gear via this thread. I look at it as the difference between using a Behringer Powered Monitor and a QSC K10.2 for a monitor. Priceless difference. And I'm worth it

 

[s0c9]

so they're all on stereo IEMs?

luxury!

i'm still the only one in any of my bands who asks for stereo IEMs, i haven't yet managed to convince the rest of 'em why its so much better than mono

Three [of five] in the band are on STEREO IEM's, with the other 2 [guitars] on QSC K.2 wedges driven by X32 Rack. We all run our own mixes remotely via external router set to 5G and let FOH do their own thing.
Once you get the hang of where you want things in your IEM mix, stereo is the schizz... SO MUCH BETTER than a mono mix!!
Jump on those guys to move that way!!

 

[EastCoastThump]

Also he wants to stay with this box because his other bands uses a Mackie DL1608 digital board. On that older model board the aux outs are all 1/4" not XLR.

Before investing in CAT5 IEM monitoring, my current event band played a bunch of gigs with a multi-channel headphone amp racked with our digital mixer, with three players getting their stereo IEM mixes via a drop snake.

If you're all controlling your stereo IEM mixes via wifi, then compared to feeding power and signal to individual headphone amps next to each player, returning IEM mixes from a central multichannel headphone amp via a small drop snake can clean up a lot of cross-stage cable snarl.

 

[musicman7722]

Note sure how that snake bit applies to my situation but I agree if you can get by with wired the quality and cost is better. And I am a man who believes in snakes on stage. When I do FOH work i have a front line snake, a back line snake and with the horn band I mix I have a snake for them as well (5 players). Cleans up the stage wonderfully.