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RUSH Clockwork Angels
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I haven't heard Clockwork Angels yet, I'm waiting to own it. But as far as what it would have to compare too ... well, that is difficult to say.
The first dozen albums are an entirely different Rush. Fictional storylines based on world views, HARD CORE rock opras. Very dynamic, and experimental. To me, Rush stopped being this wonderful band that wrote of fictional places and of gods and fictional cultures and began being about observational indentification. Hold Your Fire was so-so. It got a bit pop-ish. Signals just friggin landed home with me. Lyrically, musically, and sound-wise. I'm a KB player since 1977 (bass since 1990) and the synth sounds in Signals are just great. Fat, analog, synths.
Roll the Bones disappointed me. I only like two songs on Presto. I hadn't bought another Rush album since Counterparts (which I don't really enjoy). I recently bought Vapor Trails and was again disappointed. Any of their works after Power Windows just didn't really have the affect that "The Big Dozen" have.
After Exit Stage Left it was just a different Rush. Good, bad, or indifferent. I'd have to say Signals is my favorite "Rush MK2" effort. Anything up to ~around~ Exit Stage Left is just different than the rest of their catalog. Call it Rush MK1. Which is my favorite bunch of recordings.
The first dozen albums are an entirely different Rush. Fictional storylines based on world views, HARD CORE rock opras. Very dynamic, and experimental. To me, Rush stopped being this wonderful band that wrote of fictional places and of gods and fictional cultures and began being about observational indentification. Hold Your Fire was so-so. It got a bit pop-ish. Signals just friggin landed home with me. Lyrically, musically, and sound-wise. I'm a KB player since 1977 (bass since 1990) and the synth sounds in Signals are just great. Fat, analog, synths.
Roll the Bones disappointed me. I only like two songs on Presto. I hadn't bought another Rush album since Counterparts (which I don't really enjoy). I recently bought Vapor Trails and was again disappointed. Any of their works after Power Windows just didn't really have the affect that "The Big Dozen" have.
After Exit Stage Left it was just a different Rush. Good, bad, or indifferent. I'd have to say Signals is my favorite "Rush MK2" effort. Anything up to ~around~ Exit Stage Left is just different than the rest of their catalog. Call it Rush MK1. Which is my favorite bunch of recordings.
Oh .. didn't know that. So how does one get the tix for less cash then? If the ticket seller has the tickets, and they marked them up, regardless of the original value those prices ARE the value.
I mean, no matter what they ~were~, this is what they ~ARE~. It still costs whatever they are being sold for to see them, regardless of what the "actual ticket value" was.
Am I correct or am I completely missing something here (there's very good chance I am).
You basically have to get them as soon as they go on sale in most cases. I got mine the day of the fan presale or whatever that was, and got good floor seats. Once in a while, they release tickets a few days before the show, but it's a crapshoot. Back 15 years ago I used to work for a record store that was a Ticketmaster outlet. It was a little better back then because you basically had to stand in line (or call) to get good tickets. Nowadays with the Interwebs, ticket agencies get on there (all you need are a few computers) and buy up as many tickets as they can--to be fair, they used to do that back in the day by hiring people (homeless people, I remember) to stand in line and buy tickets.
It's definitely out of control. Ticketmaster and the like are just raking it in, and we the consumer are getting raked over the coals. It would be great if a big act like Rush did their own ticket sales to bypass TM, but I would think the venues are in bed with TM.
This is one reason why I didn't see Rush last tour. $100 would have gotten me crappy seats.
It's definitely out of control. Ticketmaster and the like are just raking it in, and we the consumer are getting raked over the coals. It would be great if a big act like Rush did their own ticket sales to bypass TM, but I would think the venues are in bed with TM.
This is one reason why I didn't see Rush last tour. $100 would have gotten me crappy seats.
That is a scalper. The posted prices on floor seats in Phoenix through Ticketmaster (http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/19004883D8B13924?artistid=807344&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1) were:
US $71.25 - US $91.25 (plus US $14.25 in fees)
That's not to say that they weren't all snapped up right away at that price, but that's what face value is on them.
US $71.25 - US $91.25 (plus US $14.25 in fees)
That's not to say that they weren't all snapped up right away at that price, but that's what face value is on them.
OT on the OT .....
Rush tix ..... in my area for a show in November.
$1367.00 USD per seat on the floor.
Thirteen hundred and sixty seven dollars .. per seat. For my wife and I that would be a $3k show, we live 200 miles from the venue so travel expenses and blabla.
Utterly ridiculous.
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When we saw them last, I think the tix were $8.50.
I guess that Rush themselves don't set the prices ... but this is just insulting. NO BAND is worth paying a full month's wages to see live. Even the nosebleeders are $60 - $70 bux. Doable .. but still .. that's just nuts .. over a grand to get on the floor.
I guess I'm dating myself here, but I've been to so many "General Admission" shows that seeing $1367.00 for center-stage floor seats is just ridiculous. I paid $25 bux for "backstage pass" tix when I saw Bad Company in '79.
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OT on the OT .....
Rush tix ..... in my area for a show in November.
$1367.00 USD per seat on the floor.
Thirteen hundred and sixty seven dollars .. per seat. For my wife and I that would be a $3k show, we live 200 miles from the venue so travel expenses and blabla.
Utterly ridiculous.
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When we saw them last, I think the tix were $8.50.
I guess that Rush themselves don't set the prices ... but this is just insulting. NO BAND is worth paying a full month's wages to see live. Even the nosebleeders are $60 - $70 bux. Doable .. but still .. that's just nuts .. over a grand to get on the floor.
I guess I'm dating myself here, but I've been to so many "General Admission" shows that seeing $1367.00 for center-stage floor seats is just ridiculous. I paid $25 bux for "backstage pass" tix when I saw Bad Company in '79.
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You are right. I am offically priced out of seeing big shows such as Rush anymore. (I CAN afford the price, I just wont pay it) Fist time I saw them was on their "Hemispheres" tour late '78 at the Long Beach Arena in So Cal. for $7.50.
Cant justify the costs any longer..
tangentmusic said:
I've been wondering this for awhile, being a kid who absolutely loves Hemispheres and especially Cygnus, did they ever play the epic live? Like, any sections at all?
According to the calculation on Invalid Link Removed, a $7.50 concert ticket in 1978 would cost $26.44 today, adjusted for inflation. So yeah, absolutely concert prices have gone up too much.
Plus, acoustics suck in any room large enough to hold a Rush-sized crowd. Once you get past the rush (heh) of being physically close to these guys, the concerts aren't that enjoyable on their own merits.
Except at Red Rocks...
FWIW, I don't think that the show is even close to sold out here... that is if anyone wants to travel.
Oh yeah... They played the entire album! Every song.
Most of "Farewell" too, including Cygnus X-1 & Xanadu.
The jam band named String Cheese Incident has been known to buy up all of their own concert tickets and sell them back to fans at face value so that ~everyone~ can afford to see them play.
I wish Rush were as noble.
I wish Rush were as noble.
I doubt it's for lack of nobility, as much as lack of do-ability. Rush plays both in more places and in bigger places. To try to do that, especially when they plan a lot more of their own stuff than a lot of bands (thus time constraints), and at their age, would be quite difficult.
I just bought 2 tickets for the Atlanta show - $189.65. Yes, that's a lot, but it's the reality of ticket prices these days, so I've just become very selective of what concerts I go to now. Basically, I just see Rush -lol. Another reason I bought tickets, and back to topic regarding the album, is.........
I am loving Clockwork Angels! I'm a long-time fan (since '84) but honestly, it's been a rocky ride since Power Windows. The only 2 albums I have really liked since PW are Counterparts and VT. All the others have a couple good songs each, but are not albums that I listen to from beginning to end (in fact, I almost never listen to HYF, Presto, or TFE at all). But CA is really good, and getting even better the more times I listen to it. I like it so much more than S&A, and would not have a problem with them playing 7-9 new songs live.
I am loving Clockwork Angels! I'm a long-time fan (since '84) but honestly, it's been a rocky ride since Power Windows. The only 2 albums I have really liked since PW are Counterparts and VT. All the others have a couple good songs each, but are not albums that I listen to from beginning to end (in fact, I almost never listen to HYF, Presto, or TFE at all). But CA is really good, and getting even better the more times I listen to it. I like it so much more than S&A, and would not have a problem with them playing 7-9 new songs live.
Flux Jetson said:
"Noble"? What are you on? Do you have any idea how much it would cost to buy an entire arena's worth of tickets?
Take it easy pal, I already agreed with the first person that made that point.
And it isn't like they'd be ~eating~ the cost of the tickets, they'd get back every single penny as the tickets sold. If a band that makes 1/100th what Rush makes can spring for 5k or 10k tickets I'm sure Rush could find a way to finance or escrow the 20k tickets. It's all about moving money around. It's done a thousand times every day. I mean if the ticket scalpers pulled it off to sell the tickets at a 500% profit, obviously it can be done.
So before you acuse someone of "being on something" T-H-I-N-K before loading the poo-bazooka and firing so indiscriminantly.
And let's keep things in context ... I never said Rush weren't noble, all I said was I wish Rush were so noble so as to do what a teeny tiny little niche band did for 5 or 10k of their own fans.
Yup:
Although Hemispheres was a stretch for Geddy's voice, even in the 70s, so don't count on ever hearing him sing it live again.
