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RUSH Clockwork Angels

Interesting, in that vid Ged is using the black Jazz bass; all the time I always thought it was the Ric on that track.

Well, lip-synched videos don't necessarily show the actual instruments used on audio recordings. The video for "Tom Sawyer" shows Geddy playing his Ric, but he recorded it with his Jazz Bass.

(Not trying to say anything about the instrument used on the "Vital Signs" recording)
 
+1 on this idea. In the book titled "RUSH Tribute - Merely Players" there are several instances where Geddy himself said that he used bass-X in video-Y but that he actually used Bass-Z on the actual album. For instance, these are verbatum quotes from that book, everything between the quotation marks are exactly as printed including the parentheses and puctuation marks:

PAGE 242 - "Moving Pictures Album: Jazz was the only bass used (the Rickenbacker 4001 in the "Tom Sawyer" studio video is for 'effect')"

PAGE 243 - "Grace Under Pressure album: L2 bass (Geddy brought the 4001 in videos for "Enemy Within" and "Body Electric" for 'effect')"

PAGE 244 - "Power Windows Album: Geddy recorded with Peter Collins' English-made, natural walnut finished Wal bass (Steinberger in "Mystic Rhythms" video for effect.)".

PAGE 246 - "Presto Album: Same as previous album (Fender Jazz in "Show don't Tell" video for effect)." {ed note; this book lists the black Wal throught Hold Your Fire album except for "Lock and Key" which was a Wal 5-string - that suggests that the Wal was used on Presto. end ed note}

Add to this is the sense of humor the three of them posess and things get even more clouded. Alex Lifeson on the "Hentor Strats" ...

PAGE 230 and 231 - "'Hentor' was the name that we had for Peter Henderson, the producer of Grace Under Pressure. When he wrote his name out to leave us his number, it looked like Peter Hentor instead of Peter Henderson, so we nicknamed him Hentor The Barbarian. I got some Letraset and put it on this white Strat that I had. It has a Shark neck - these are unlabeled replacement necks - so I threw "Hentor Sportscaster" on there. Amazing all the mail we used to get over that [laughs]: "Where can I buy a Hentor? How much does a Hentor cost?" (Guitar Player 1986)".

The book also quotes Alex a number of times saying that he used certain guitars on albums but used other guitars in the videos (such as "The Big Money" .. in the video he's sportin' a black Strat with a white pickguard, but he says he used a Tele on the actual album's recording of that song).

A note about the Moving Pictures quotes: Even though Geddy says in this book that the Jazz was the only bass used on Moving Pictures, in video interviews viewable on You Tube he's said himself that he used both the Jazz and the Ric on that album. So the point here is that .... you just don't really know! Artists can and will ~adjust~ the truth to keep their musical secrets to themselves. Eddie Van Halen used to play his tapped riffs with his back to the audience so no other guitar players would ripoff his (then new) technique, until he was accused of using backing tracks to play his solos in concerts. Only then did he start letting everyone see what he was doing with his hands. So artists .. even the pedestal-mounted Geddy (the pedestal that "we" have placed him upon) .. may be telling us one thing and doing quite another. He has his own "industrial secrets" to maintane .. mystery is a good thing in most cases. Besides, he doesn't belong to us ... he's free to keep his methods to himself.

My point here is that no matter what you see on You Tube, no matter what you read in books that allegedly "quote" someone about the gear/setups/whatevers they say they used, no matter what you think you saw at a live concert .... you truly never really know. As it should be. That's why it's called Show Business. It's a business all about delivering a perception. If you were taken to a reality other than your own, or if the performance initiated thought, the job was well done.

Good morning. :)
 
Um yeah...now that you've hyperventilated, I only mentioned it because back in the early 80s as a kid I associated the Ric and only the Ric with Geddy and it's odd that I never even noticed the Fender in the vids. Which is funny given what a huge Rush dork I was, but it makes sense since I didn't play bass yet and din't really know what I was looking at anyway.
 
Try to be nice, it doesn't even hurt, not even a little bit. It's actually quite good for you.

I wasn't directing the quoted comments to you anyhow (you made a poor self-centered assumption, there). I was simply providing a little trivia to the general membership since the topic was brought up about how videos and reality often times clash. Stuff many folks may find interesting. The world is larger than yourself.

I write one post that is composed mostly of someone else's words and it's hyperventilating. But 43 pages of posts, many written by repeat responders, gets no sarcastic stones thrown. How ironic. Ok, you can go back to Twitter now. 140 characters may be easier to digest.
 
Flux Jetson said:
Try to be nice, it doesn't even hurt, not even a little bit. It's actually quite good for you.

I wasn't directing the quoted comments to you anyhow (you made a poor self-centered assumption, there). I was simply providing a little trivia to the general membership since the topic was brought up about how videos and reality often times clash. Stuff many folks may find interesting. The world is larger than yourself.

I write one post that is composed mostly of someone else's words and it's hyperventilating. But 43 pages of posts, many written by repeat responders, gets no sarcastic stones thrown. How ironic. Ok, you can go back to Twitter now. 140 characters may be easier to digest.

For the record, I appreciated and enjoyed ur post. Thanks. And, to the dude who thought u were hyperventilating: how'd you get there?
 
I got the vinyl a couple of weeks ago and finally got my ancient turntable set up with a new preamp and some good Bose speakers. Sounds real nice, and it's cool to hear some of my old record collection after so long.

Now, I 'think' it sounds better than the CD, but maybe that's just because I'm jazzed about having a new Rush record again for the first time in forever?
 
I am a dedicated Rush fan from many, many years past.
Just bought this album today (in Australia, harder to find!) and uploaded it to my iTunes ready for my first listen!!

I have read all the posts in these 43 pages, so expecting a good album with crappy mix. I'll be my own judge and let you know later.

For me, Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows were both ordinary records. They missed one element of Rush that I most adore - the mix of amazing instrument technique from all and the melodic, catchy tunes they used to make. Snakes and Arrows is a major offender here - there wasn't really any songs that I could hum in my head or whistle along to. It sounded (as others have said) like a bunch of riffs bunched together and Geddy just struggling to find a decent melody to fit. (I liked "How It Is" from VT, but that sounded like a Geddy MFH song.)

I, too, love the Big Dozen, although I felt that HYF was moving in a wrong direction, and saw the band struggle (especially live) with all the synth and triggers and samples.
I liked Presto because it stripped a lot of that back, and there were some decent songs on there (The Pass is a wonderful song), however the production was thin and missed the mark of a "power trio".
Roll the Bones didn't really do much for me.
Counterparts was excellent in all aspects. A very, very good Rush album.
T4E I liked, and this was (IMHO) the last time we got some really good "hummable" Rush. I actually really like "Dog Years" because the riff is awesome and the lyrics are suitably weird.
"Resist" is pretty and "Virtuosity" is probably my favourite off the album. "Put your message in the modem, and throw it in the cyyyyberrrr-sea!" dum num num dum dum num num...etc. What's not to like!

I understand the reasons behind their 5 year hiatus, and was stoked when I saw the release info for VT. I won't go into the Loudness War debate, but the album was, frankly, ordinary. I wondered, upon release, whether they had lost not only family, time and inspiration, but their ability to write great, catchy prog tunes??

For me, Snakes and Arrows is the only Rush album ever where they seemed to be phoning it in.

I cannot wait for my first listen to Clockwork Angels (directly after posting this!) and I hope it is everything you folk have said -for better or worse. Rush divides people - fans have known this forever. But I really hope that their melodic sensibility is there again.

cronks xx
 
I am a dedicated Rush fan from many, many years past.
Just bought this album today (in Australia, harder to find!) and uploaded it to my iTunes ready for my first listen!!

I have read all the posts in these 43 pages, so expecting a good album with crappy mix. I'll be my own judge and let you know later.

For me, Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows were both ordinary records. They missed one element of Rush that I most adore - the mix of amazing instrument technique from all and the melodic, catchy tunes they used to make. Snakes and Arrows is a major offender here - there wasn't really any songs that I could hum in my head or whistle along to. It sounded (as others have said) like a bunch of riffs bunched together and Geddy just struggling to find a decent melody to fit. (I liked "How It Is" from VT, but that sounded like a Geddy MFH song.)

I, too, love the Big Dozen, although I felt that HYF was moving in a wrong direction, and saw the band struggle (especially live) with all the synth and triggers and samples.
I liked Presto because it stripped a lot of that back, and there were some decent songs on there (The Pass is a wonderful song), however the production was thin and missed the mark of a "power trio".
Roll the Bones didn't really do much for me.
Counterparts was excellent in all aspects. A very, very good Rush album.
T4E I liked, and this was (IMHO) the last time we got some really good "hummable" Rush. I actually really like "Dog Years" because the riff is awesome and the lyrics are suitably weird.
"Resist" is pretty and "Virtuosity" is probably my favourite off the album. "Put your message in the modem, and throw it in the cyyyyberrrr-sea!" dum num num dum dum num num...etc. What's not to like!

I understand the reasons behind their 5 year hiatus, and was stoked when I saw the release info for VT. I won't go into the Loudness War debate, but the album was, frankly, ordinary. I wondered, upon release, whether they had lost not only family, time and inspiration, but their ability to write great, catchy prog tunes??

For me, Snakes and Arrows is the only Rush album ever where they seemed to be phoning it in.

I cannot wait for my first listen to Clockwork Angels (directly after posting this!) and I hope it is everything you folk have said -for better or worse. Rush divides people - fans have known this forever. But I really hope that their melodic sensibility is there again.

cronks xx
Cronker, thank you for this.

Your assessment of Rush in this post pretty much boils the way I feel about their productions down to the salt. I agree with your feelings about how they sortof lost the power-trio that many of us held close for quite a long time there. Seems like many of the bands that I happened to like fell on their faces around 1985 or so. Some of them never recovered (ELP, Kansas, many others). The reasons are many and varied, and those reasons have been beat and hashed and rehashed time and again, no sense in going there now.

I like your pragmatic view, and I think your pragmatism and somewhat agnostic point of view may save you from yourself when you listen to this recording. I have still yet to obtain it - my procrastination is mostly due to fear of heartbreak. The "Rush" that I love so much died after the Sacred Dozen were produced, with very few exceptions. So the last thing I need to do is buy another disappointment from them. I realize I expect far too much from them, but that's why I personally choose to call the Sacred Dozen "it" and leave it be.

It's the same reason why if I were to (somehow) lose my wife of 30+ years. I would never seek another person to share my life with because I know in my heart I would unfairly compare the new person to "my precious she" constantly, which would ultimately lead to painful failure.

That sounds like a lot of emotional energy being applied to "just some silly rock music" but early Rush is, in fact, quite sacred to me.

So I've been procrastinating the purchase of Clockwork Angels. I've heard snips, and other than the "choir of Geddys" sound that he's adopted long ago, I like what I've heard. But, yet that fear of failure within me stands in the way.

I'm glad to see someone like yourself, with such pragmatic views and the same reverence for early Rush that I have, take on the new album with courage and verve. I hope it does not disappoint you. I eagerly await your review. It might end up being pivotal for me and give me the shove needed to actually buy it.

:)
 
Flux, believe me when I say that I would not wish you to lose your loved one in any situation, especially the shallow hope of a good Rush album.
I have lost all my family to disease. There is only me and my dad left from a large, loving family.
It may sound silly, but sometimes the music of Rush has got me through the pain. "Losing It" from Signals is a fing powerful song.
I used to deal with my feelings by playing my bass. Still do.
Guess what? I'm a better bass player than I ever imagined. My feelings, aggressive, melancholy or happy show in my playing. This is my legacy from my loved ones passed.

BTW.... Give Clockwork Angels at least a listen. It's good