Sad fads…

[The Golden Boy]

That "bacon and mustache" thing is interesting. I didn't see this post or that article until today.

Just this past weekend I was having the discussion with my daughter in law about the little mustache finger tattoos- and then I also mentioned that I have not heard the phrase "bacon: the candy of meats" in forever.

 

[ThudThudThud]

Well, if we're all going to gripe about annoying things that younger people do, why do many (if not most) of them now reflexively start nearly all sentences (especially when encouraged to offer an explanation or answer a question) with "So..."?

They are not saying "So" to continue with a line of thought they have already begun to present, or saying "So" because the next words from their mouths will be describing the consequence resulting from something they have already described. No, they are saying "So" to begin their first utterances in any given situation. What, are they telling us a bedtime story?!?

Oops, sorry, I have to go.I think I hear some kids on my front lawn.

Vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms have become widely adopted for no other reason than people hear them, and think they're part of the language. For example, "Where is he at?" doesn't benefit from the addition of the 'at.' "So..." is an affectation by which authority is being pre-established in the statement.

 

[gln1955]

Vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms have become widely adopted for no other reason than people hear them, and think they're part of the language. For example, "Where is he at?" doesn't benefit from the addition of the 'at.' "So..." is an affectation by which authority is being pre-established in the statement.

So, language isn't static, no matter how dearly people want it to be.

 

[The Golden Boy]

Vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms have become widely adopted for no other reason than people hear them, and think they're part of the language. For example, "Where is he at?" doesn't benefit from the addition of the 'at.' "So..." is an affectation by which authority is being pre-established in the statement.

For all intensive purposes, words are words; irregardless of their correctfulnessism.

(Ugh- my computer's Otto Correct put the blue line under "intensive" and the red line under "correctfulnessism" but left "irregardless.")

 

[FilterFunk]

Vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms have become widely adopted for no other reason than people hear them, and think they're part of the language. For example, "Where is he at?" doesn't benefit from the addition of the 'at.' "So..." is an affectation by which authority is being pre-established in the statement.

So, language isn't static, no matter how dearly people want it to be.

I happen to like "vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms." They make language more colorful and fun. I do not want language to be "static." But I do believe there should be some established rules of spelling, punctuation and grammar that keep language from becoming a jumbled free-for-all.

Here's an imperfect analogy: There have been many changes in the sport of baseball over the decades, but the basic rules remain; otherwise, it wouldn't be baseball anymore - just a bunch of random actions by players making up the rules as they go along. That's Calvinball, not baseball!

 

[gln1955]

I happen to like "vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms." They make language more colorful and fun. I do not want language to be "static." But I do believe there should be some established rules of spelling, punctuation and grammar that keep language from becoming a jumbled free-for-all.

Here's an imperfect analogy: There have been many changes in the sport of baseball over the decades, but the basic rules remain; otherwise, it wouldn't be baseball anymore - just a bunch of random actions by players making up the rules as they go along. That's Calvinball, not baseball!

There's a time and place for that.

I work in academia, specifically the sciences. There, most words have precise meanings and things have to be communicated in a way that can be understood by anyone in the field. The people I mentioned earlier for whom English is second language will get an editor to review their publications and grant applications before they are submitted. That is MLB.

Everyday spoken language or posts on a message board are more like the kids' sandlot game where rules are made up as they go along.

 

[Akami]

For all intensive purposes, words are words; irregardless of their correctfulnessism.

(Ugh- my computer's Otto Correct put the blue line under "intensive" and the red line under "correctfulnessism" but left "irregardless.")

I looked at "intensive purposes" and thought, okay, "intents and purposes", but after getting through "irregardless", "correctfulnessism" and "Otto correct"...

 

[Major Seven]

"Overcame the burden of her name"? Not sure if you mean her last name, which identifies her as having had Frank as her dad, or her first name, which identifies her as someone who was given a creative and unique name by her parents and chose not to change it. She and her siblings certainly had the option to have their names changed legally, so if they did not do so, it stands to reason that they must like their names.

It sounds like YOU think having an unusual and innovative name is somehow a burden, and you then presume others would surely feel the same way. I would imagine that some people who were given unusual names by their beatnik or hippie parents might have opted for standard, run-of-the-mill names because they did not like getting odd looks from others with narrow minds, but that does not mean everyone took that attitude.

Even if they liked their names the kids in grammar school are mean and probably tortured them at least until they realized it wasn't working anymore.

 

[Major Seven]

Today Tatoos became fads. But in the future, not-a-single-tatoos will become the fad. And i'll be hype. I prepair future

Maybe I could grow my hair long.

 

[Major Seven]

Vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms have become widely adopted for no other reason than people hear them, and think they're part of the language. For example, "Where is he at?" doesn't benefit from the addition of the 'at.' "So..." is an affectation by which authority is being pre-established in the statement.

I had an anthropology professor who said expressions like "It BE good" or "It BE this ,that or"It BE whatever" Came from a direct translation of a
regional dialect in So. Africa so is not necessarily the uneducated language abuse it sounds like. I haven't verified that but it gave me some tolerance.

 

[ThudThudThud]

I had an anthropology professor who said expressions like "It BE good" or "It BE this ,that or"It BE whatever" Came from a direct translation of a
regional dialect in So. Africa so is not necessarily the uneducated language abuse it sounds like. I haven't verified that but it gave me some tolerance.

We also have the modern scourge of internet influencers who are influencing, and normalising the incorrect use of language. It's surprising how much damage these people can do.

 

[FilterFunk]

There's a time and place for that.

I work in academia, specifically the sciences. There, most words have precise meanings and things have to be communicated in a way that can be understood by anyone in the field. The people I mentioned earlier for whom English is second language will get an editor to review their publications and grant applications before they are submitted. That is MLB.

Everyday spoken language or posts on a message board are more like the kids' sandlot game where rules are made up as they go along.

I get that, but it's spilling over to the point where a lot of people don't know and don't care about the difference.

As I said, "I happen to like 'vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms.' They make language more colorful and fun. I do not want language to be 'static.'" Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point where you too often have to decipher what's being posted. Many times, it would be better if people would just use plain language. Not the King's English - just lighten up on the slang, internet shorthand, and poor spelling, punctuation and grammar.

 

[gln1955]

I get that, but it's spilling over to the point where a lot of people don't know and don't care about the difference.

As I said, "I happen to like 'vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms.' They make language more colorful and fun. I do not want language to be 'static.'" Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point where you too often have to decipher what's being posted. Many times, it would be better if people would just use plain language. Not the King's English - just lighten up on the slang, internet shorthand, and poor spelling, punctuation and grammar.

FWIW YGTR

 

[FilterFunk]

FWIW YGTR

I see what you did there!

 

[Major Seven]

I get that, but it's spilling over to the point where a lot of people don't know and don't care about the difference.

As I said, "I happen to like 'vernacular, slang, and colloquialisms.' They make language more colorful and fun. I do not want language to be 'static.'" Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point where you too often have to decipher what's being posted. Many times, it would be better if people would just use plain language. Not the King's English - just lighten up on the slang, internet shorthand, and poor spelling, punctuation and grammar.

 

[ThudThudThud]

As a native of London, I'm no stranger to, and grew up hearing and using slang, and I will still use certain words and phrases appropriately (when in certain company).

 

[S-Bigbottom]

So... Are tuners tuners or only tuners are tuners?

 

[WG Plum]

For all intensive purposes, words are words; irregardless of their correctfulnessism.

(Ugh- my computer's Otto Correct put the blue line under "intensive" and the red line under "correctfulnessism" but left "irregardless.")