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School Me on Straightedges

I do have a well set up Jet 6" jointer, so I can make wood straight edges, but I wouldn't trust them for long, they'd warp over time, wouldn't they? I doubt they'd be any straighter than even a cheap hardware store ruler, which doesn't seem straight enough for fret leveling.

The one I use the most is a 6" wide piece of 3/4" thick MDF laminated on both sides with maple veneer. I principally use it as a straight-edge template for routing necks/fingerboards. I check it periodically with me Woodpeckers precision straight-edge, and re-surface it with the jointer when necessary (which so far has only ever been because I got sloppy and accidentally bit into it with the router). It's about 4' long I think. I have a smaller one made from 3/8" Baltic birch plywood too.
 
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Also, if you have a jointer that is set up properly, you can make a straight-edge of virtually any length and thickness any time you need one.

I do have a well set up Jet 6" jointer, so I can make wood straight edges, but I wouldn't trust them for long, they'd warp over time, wouldn't they? I doubt they'd be any straighter than even a cheap hardware store ruler, which doesn't seem straight enough for fret leveling.

@HaMMerHeD - Agreed
@Gilmourisgod - Depends on the wood you use

Case in point: I have a piece of Ebony I used to cut of a piece for a finger board. Was going to use it for a couple more fingerboards, but decided to turn it into my straight edge. Still working on getting closer to perfect. Specifically, you can see the blade cuts along the side.

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I always go to my local machine shop to buy levels, cauls...straight edges , fret levelers...etc~~~....the last piece I bought was for fret leveling...they put in on the mill for $25....solid aluminum piece.. 1"T x 4"H x 36"L....frets are perfect every time..
 
I do have a well set up Jet 6" jointer, so I can make wood straight edges, but I wouldn't trust them for long, they'd warp over time, wouldn't they? I doubt they'd be any straighter than even a cheap hardware store ruler, which doesn't seem straight enough for fret leveling.

I remember reading about someone who did this once. They made sure it was straight, then finished it with some sort of (probably-plasticy) finish so that they wouldn't dry out/be affected by moisture changes.

And as HaMMerHed said, you can always re-plane them. You basically have an endless straightedge machine, you do.
 
I'm at the point in my build where I need a fret slotted straightedge to check fingerboard straightness prior to fret leveling, and I've sen a few like this one on ebay:
RICKENBACKER BASS NECK STRAIGHT EDGE (Notched) LUTHIERS TOOL
The price is cheap, but I have no idea of the quality, I assume it's Chinese made.
I realize most people think I don't need a notched straight edge, but I like it. I'm posting this because I ordered the one you were asking about. It's made in the USA, was delivered quickly (amazon), packaged well, has a +/- .001" and that sucker is heavy! Very thick Very happy with my purchase, for around $30, I think it will do what I need.

From amazon:
  • One side is notched for the frets and the other is a standrad straight edge
  • For Rickernbacker 4001-4003 & more basses 33 1/4" scale
  • 6061 aluminium alloy both sides with machined flat surface
  • Made in U.S.A.

Designed to check bass guitar neck straightness of the fretboard and not just the frets. This is the only true way to check for straightness before leveling your frets. Essential for proper truss rod adjustment. 1/8x1.5"x23.25" Machined Edge 6061 Aluminum. This is very rigid and will last for years without bending. One side is for 33 ¼ scale for standard Rickenbacker basses(4001-4003 and more), the other side is a standard straight edge machined flat with no fret notches.* CNC precision machined for a flatness of +/- .001" Good to use with 18 or 20 fret necks..doesn't matter. Use with strings on or off. Notched to the 19th fret with clearance for more frets and clearance for the nut on the other end. Covers the entire length of the neck .

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Nice!
I ended up ordering a machined aluminum 25" long beam to use for final fingerboard and fret leveling, I can use that to evaluate everything else, including the one straightedge I do own. If the one I have turns to not be particularly straight, I'll probably get the one you ordered. I'm curious to see how straight the hardware store angle stock is, probably good enough for basic jigs, but not enough for fret leveling.
 
So you know, it isn't real hard to true up a metal straightedge. That is, you can straighten up the edge of any reasonably stable metal bar, making your own special purpose straightedge, or true up some commercial product like a level or ruler to make it into a straightedge.

The basic process is a little tedious, but it isn't hard. What you do is look for high spots, like lumps or a raised center or raised ends, and then file them down. Repeat, repeat, repeat filing down all the high spots until they are even with the lowest spots. When there are no more high spots, or low spots, it's straight. By definition.

To identify the high spots, coat the edge along the full length with a thin ink or dye paint. The best thing to use is Dykem (or other similar brands), also known as "machinist's blue" or "layout dye". It's a common product used in machine shops; you brush or spray it on a piece of metal, which makes it blue. Then you do layouts on the metal by using a scriber to scratch fine lines through the thin blue coating. It's normally sold in small cans with a brush in the lid. Brush it on the edge and it dries in a few minutes.

In a pinch, you can use a Sharpie for the same purpose; to put on a thin black ink coat all down the edge. The Sharpie ink isn't quite as good as the Dykem, but it will work.

Once you have the edge coated, gently slide the edge a few inches against another straight edge, or on a good flat surface. No heavy rubbing or full-length stroke. Just a single slide of a few inches, one edge against the other. Now look at the edge. Where the ink has rubbed off and there's shiny metal, those are the high spots. Where the ink is still on are the low spots. That's how you test the edge and identify the high spots.

Now, take a stroke or two over the high spots with a fine tooth flat file. Gently, you only need to remove a very small amount of metal. Wipe down the edge, recoat it with ink and slide it again to check your work. Repeat, repeat, until the high spots are gone. When it's getting close, switch to a medium grit sharpening stone, rather than the file. When it's straight, the whole edge will come up shiny. That means that the whole surface is contacting the other straight edge surface.

Obviously, this works best if the other straight edge is itself good and straight. It's easiest if you start with one good straightedge, and true up your others to it. But if you have two questionable straightedges, you can work them against each other to true them both up. Work the high spots on A, testing it against B. Then work the high spots on B, testing it against A. Back and forth, back and forth, and they will eventually both come out straight against each other. In the old machinist's world, the ideal technique was to work three straightedges against each other, in all six combinations: A against B, A against C, B against A, B against C, C against A, C against B. When they all check straight against each other, then they are all truely straight. But that's a bit of overkill for most cases.

With patience, this basic method can be used to make straight, flat surfaces to very high accuracy. This is how machinists 150 years ago made straightedges flat to less than 0.001". With more refined technique, and more time, 0.0001" accuracy is possible. More complicated variations of this method are used to true up the ways (the precision sliding surfaces) of lathes and milling machines. Look up "hand scraping machine tool ways" if you want to know more.

Back in the real world of Luthiery, I have several 24", 18" and 12" machinist's rigid-style rulers. They aren't very expensive, and they are usually pretty darn straight right out of the package. But I check them against each other to be sure. Most of them are good to +/- 0.002". They are what I use for almost all of my straightedge work on instruments, like checking fingerboard surfaces and sides of necks. When leveling the tops of frets, I use a flat 8" long stone across the tops, which will make them level to each other to less than 0.001". The stone itself is the straightedge.

Like some of you have said, I've never understood the need for notched straightedges. I make my fingerboards straight without the frets. Once the frets are in, the only thing that matters is the flatness of the tops of the frets. Who cares whether the fingerboard between the frets is still perfectly flat?
 
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The only hazard I see with the method Bruce describes is if you work with two straightedges that are unknown. Consider if one is actually dead straight, and the other is convex over its entire length -- a not uncommon state for a bar or piece of tube. If you happen to apply the blue to the straight one first, and rub them, you would conclude that the blued straight one needs material removed from its center. This would lead to you dishing it out, and ending up with a perfectly matched set of concave and convex surfaces.

Of course, in most cases, you can flip them both around as needed, and if they have consistent widths (which can be checked with a caliper), you will discover the curve by checking both opposed sides of each, against the other bar. So, this is doable, but in a somewhat more involved way.
 
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Yep, I agree. With only two unknown straightedges, you want to first determine which one is the worst, and work that one first. If you guess wrong, you could end up making the better one equal to the worse one. A matched concave/convex set. That's why the wise old-time method is to check three straightedges against each other.

In the practical world, just visually sighting down a straightedge will give you a good idea how close it is, any major concave or convex. Get that sorted out first, getting it visually flat by working it with a file. Then start rubbing it against the other surface to get the smaller lumps and dips out.
 
Here's the beam I ended up ordering:
TECHNOFRET 24" Bass fret leveling beam


The phrase "unparalleled accuracy" doesn't tell me much, so I asked the question:
"The accuracy is only listed as "unparalleled". What does that translate to in .000"? What is the total deviation along a 24" or 25" length? Thanks, ready to order, but need to know level of accuracy for fret work."

The response:
"Hi, the accuracy is less than .001" ... we know this because the products are tested for straightness on a surface plate calibrated for flatness to .00001" .by laying the beam on narrow paper shims which are .001" thick, and testing whether the shims can be readily pulled out . If the beam fails the test it is re-lapped until such time as it does pass the test.

The straightness is probably much less than .001" over the length .....more like .0001", but it is certainly less than .001".

Hope this helps,

Best regards

Murray

Hopefully nobody has already ordered one of these and found it to be a piece of junk, least expensive (and only) 25" machine flattened beam I could find. It comes with 220 and 320 grit sandpaper strips, so i figured I could lap my aluminum straightedge using the method Bruce described, though I will probably just use blue sharpie to ink it up.

Thanks for input All, another good TB discussion on geeky stuff nobody but Bass Nerds like me care about!
 
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Here's the beam I ended up ordering:
TECHNOFRET 24" Bass fret leveling beam


The phrase "unparalleled accuracy" doesn't tell me much, so I asked the question:
"The accuracy is only listed as "unparalleled". What does that translate to in .000"? What is the total deviation along a 24" or 25" length? Thanks, ready to order, but need to know level of accuracy for fret work."

The response:
"Hi, the accuracy is less than .001" ... we know this because the products are tested for straightness on a surface plate calibrated for flatness to .00001" .by laying the beam on narrow paper shims which are .001" thick, and testing whether the shims can be readily pulled out . If the beam fails the test it is re-lapped until such time as it does pass the test.

The straightness is probably much less than .001" over the length .....more like .0001", but it is certainly less than .001".

Hope this helps,

Best regards

Murray

Hopefully nobody has already ordered one of these and found it to be a piece of junk, least expensive (and only) 25" machine flattened beam I could find. It comes with 220 and 320 grit sandpaper strips, so i figured I could lap my aluminum straightedge using the method Bruce described, though I will probably just use blue sharpie to ink it up.

Thanks for input All, another good TB discussion on geeky stuff nobody but Bass Nerds like me care about!
Actually, using this method, the straightness would depend not on the thickness of the shims but on the consistency of the shims from one to the next. they could all be say .021 thick, but would need to be .021 +/-.0005. And that's not getting into issues of friction and pull force for removing the shims. Interesting method, though.

BTW standard 20 lb. bond paper is .004, so that's some interesting paper they say they have there.
 
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