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Double Bass scroll broke off neck: re-glue or replace?

My good carved bass was knocked onto its back today, and the scroll broke off the neck.

Has anyone had good luck re-gluing the scroll to the neck?
If the neck has to be replaced, can the old fingerboard be reused?

Is a new neck automatically going to lower the value of the instrument?

Your input is welcome.
 

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Hey Richard, sorry to hear about that. I had a similar break not long ago on my Kolstein travel bass. My luthier up here was able to glue it all back together and it is working fine. It will depend partly on the break and which direction the string tension will be pulling compared to it and how much of a glue surface is available to get it to really hold. It may not be as bad as you think. Or it could be worse. Such fun. I am sure Lisa will treat it right whichever way things go. Take care. Chris
 
You can surely glue it back together. It may hold and it may fail, but the glue will require less shop time and price in the short run. If that does not work, start saving your pennies for a scroll graft or neck replacement. A bit traumatic at first, but you can also look at it like an opportuninty to get the new fingerboard or different profile or whatever else you've been lusting after; maybee even a whole new bass!

There are two types of bass players around here: Those that have broke the neck on their bass and those that are going to sometime soon. Consider it a right of passage.

j.
www.condino.com
www.kaybassrepair.com
 
Hi Richard.

Sam,
Thanks for your input.
This bass lies somewhere in between - a factory bass, yes, but "carved" rather than laminated and of great personal and sentimental value. The consensus seems to be to replace the neck. Glue and pins is said to be costly and ugly.
Best,
-richard

You're welcome.

Do keep in mind though that mine's a BSO, plain and simple.
Not in my wildest dreams would I imagine anyone taking that kind of an instrument to a luthier.

Pins?
Who said anything about pins?.

I do know that I'm probably catch a few :rollno: 's for saying this, but the repair You see in that thread of mine was done with white glue.
No pins, no nails, no screws though.
Now I probably would repair it with hot hide glue, but that's now ;).
That baby of mine hasn't seen that much action, a gig here and a gig there, few rehearsals and about once a week playing time, but it's 8 or so years since I hurriedly repaired it.
Judging by the slight top cave-in, it's either designed for thicker strings or lower tuning, so that glue joint has been in a way stronger than the rest of the bass.

Your luthier will know what's best for You and for the bass, but I'm with james condino in that it may well be repairable.

Regards
Sam
 
The scroll and pegbox on one of my old Germans was smashed to splinters years ago. The repair was ugly but it's holding and the beautifully flamed original neck and scroll remain.

I have been told that replacement is inevitable, but the bass doesn't see hard use so I have no reason to believe replacement will be required any time soon.
 
I have an American Standard with a broken scroll and a broken neck in several places but the repairs are strong and have held for years. It may depend on where the break is and how many pieces are needed to be re-glued.

Good luck tomorrow. In the long run It will be fine either way.
 
Gentlemen,

Among the interesting suggestions was one repair guy's idea of epoxy and metal rods. I couldn't get excited over an iffy repair full of glue and shrapnel.

To the keen eye of Lisa Gass, the rupture was "nasty," and there just isn't enough wood to work with. A glue job in that vulnerable spot could hold, or could be a bust, and I'd rather not live with the uncertainty.



It turns out that the current neck had been replaced or at least worked on before - as there is a dime-sized piece of wood over what must be a dowel or a screw towards the rear of the heel - so I feel less ashamed for having to go with another neck. Besides, Morelli is a factory bass, so the scroll is not an exceptional piece worth salvaging at any cost.

Upstairs in her shop's loft lay an old German neck with a nifty spiral of a scroll and some cool tiger-striped flame along the neck, similar to that of my fractured neck. It will take some time, but it looks like the bass will eventually sport this neck as a replacement.

Thank goodness for Lisa, and for a good instrument insurance policy - which I'll call "Oh, Bummer! - care."

Once all the paperwork is in place, the adjuster says the company will cover the repair, and we're talking several thousands - verily, "a wreath of Franklins."

PS: Why all the trouble and expense over a factory bass? Here's a few lines from my former teacher's book:
- "On my return to Los Angeles, Yuli Apfeld, the salesman at Lockie's Music on lower Broadway, called me excitedly describing a Morelli bass from Germany that had recently arrived in the store. 'I think you should have it, kid,' he said. When I saw it, I instantly agreed with him and signed on the dotted line." - Red Callender, from his autobiography, Unfinished Dream.
The very next night, Red got a call to replace Pops Foster in Louis Armstrong's band. A few days later, November 13, 1937, Red did his first-ever record date with Louis. One of the sides became one of Louis's blockbuster hits, "On the Sunny Side of the Street."
Red and the bass were on their way. He sold it to me about a half-century later.
Seems to me it's a bass worth sticking one's neck out for.

Thanks to all the bass brethren for helping ease the trauma.