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Selling out
- Thread starter Hutzbordello
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its like not even the same band anymore.
I would say the same with blink 182 , there really early stuff was alot different then there new stuff they were a band 7 years before getting big.I perfer there old stuff.
we should all be so lucky as to sell out. selling out is a concept invented by someone who didn't make any money and was jealous of those who did, so they invented these pretentious artistic goals in order to justify their jealousy. when someone uses the term "selling out," my mind automatically thinks "douchebag."
Nonsense. There's a difference between making money by playing/producing music and making money by ditching one's integrity and playing/producing music that you don't actually like or want to produce just to make a buck. I'm with Henry Rollins on this this one.
who are you or henry to say they're ditching their integrity? i can think of a lot worse things to do than play music you're not fond of in order to put food on the table. i've done it, too, and i think i have an assload of personal integrity. besides, even in situations where i'm not playing my favorite music, i'm learning something and getting something out of it so i don't see that as selling out or losing my integrity whatsoever. try to tell me different and you're liable to see my middle finger
Jimmy i dont think its playing music you dont like, it would be like Rush Limbaugh playing in Rage Against the Machine so that he could look cool and make money
playing for food on the table is different
playing for food on the table is different
Yeah; truth be told, I find that his drumming with the Aquabats is way tighter and way more technical...
That being said, I never heard a huge shift in sound from blink182's older stuff to their newer stuff. Sure, Tom learned how to actually sing and the production got better, but each album was a pretty natural progression from the one before it.
Same goes for Green Day before they released American Idiot; Dookie - Warning seemed like the natural direction they were headed in.
i think joe strummer called Greenday and The Offspring the Ugly Kid Joes of today
they sold out and no one will give a **** cuz they are whiney douchebags who got bought off
^ dont mind the misquote im goin to sleep now
they sold out and no one will give a **** cuz they are whiney douchebags who got bought off
^ dont mind the misquote im goin to sleep now
who are you or henry to say they're ditching their integrity? i can think of a lot worse things to do than play music you're not fond of in order to put food on the table. i've done it, too, and i think i have an assload of personal integrity. besides, even in situations where i'm not playing my favorite music, i'm learning something and getting something out of it so i don't see that as selling out or losing my integrity whatsoever. try to tell me different and you're liable to see my middle finger
Sometimes the loss of musical integrity (maybe I should have specified the "musical" part in my last post) is obvious and sometimes it isn't. The point is that some people do make music they don't like just so they can sell some records and I would consider that selling out. This is different from a sideman playing music that might not be his or her favourite. I love playing bass, so even if I'm playing a style of music that might not be my favourite I'm still doing what I love and I would never call that "selling out". Now let's see that middle finger!
I'll contend that even I thought American Idiot was a sell out album, but the Offspring have been milling the same material (more or less) since SMASH!, which was released on Epitaph.
And just because Joe Strummer said it doesn't make it true.
Teen Idles said:
ok...here you go...these bands people are accusing of "selling out" here...isn't it possible that these bands actually LIKE the music they're making and feel as strongly about it as anything else they've done? also, why should they be forced to only make the music the hardcore fans want them to make? why shouldn't they be allowed to branch out a little and expand their horizons beyond their narrow little band of poseur fans who never want them to make money? and who the hell is (was) joe strummer to accuse anyone else of selling out? when they put out rock the casbah, punk fans completely turned on them, yet that song became an instant classic and the first thing you think of when you hear the name "the clash." and since when is making music that makes money a bad thing? ALL bands want to make money, and don't let them fool you. once you put out a cd or try to book your band for money, you're trying to make money. so every band is a sellout by definition.Sometimes the loss of musical integrity (maybe I should have specified the "musical" part in my last post) is obvious and sometimes it isn't. The point is that some people do make music they don't like just so they can sell some records and I would consider that selling out. This is different from a sideman playing music that might not be his or her favourite. I love playing bass, so even if I'm playing a style of music that might not be my favourite I'm still doing what I love and I would never call that "selling out". Now let's see that middle finger!
i still stand behind everything i said, and i still think the only people who call bands sellouts are jealous. hell, i've seen fans of bands say stupid crap like, "i used to like them before they got popular, now they're popular and they suck." grow up and save your righteous indignation for something important.
Writing/recording music that alienates your current fan base with the goal of attaining a broader fan base. **edit** Or writing/recording music that sucks in order to appeal to record execs, 14 year old girls, and Billboard.
That said, people and bands change. The only band I can think of with a long career that hasn't sold out is Slayer. They're still pretty much doing what they've always done and in a lot of ways it's awesome and in some ways it's boring. I'll be seeing them for the 8th time next month and I can't wait but if I were to sit through every studio album I'd probably get bored.
Anyway... Who broke my heart? Dunno. Metallica was the first. Alkaline Trio, maybe. Hot Water Music after signing w/ Epitaph? Hard to say.
I still think Nimrod is an awesome album. American Idiot is listenable but the latest one... Terrible.
I dunno Chesire cat just seems like a different band to me , same with buddha compared to like there self titled CD and enema of the state.
But i really got sick of listening to them all the time ha
What the fornication under consent of the king is in people who claim someone has sold out minds??????
Last time i checked when youre are paid to do something the way someone else wants it to be done it was called a job.
Greenday sucks nowadays, have they sold out? dont know, but I can tell they have one hell of a job, very little fisical effort involved, songs probably written by others and very well paid. Will i listen to their crap? no, but there's a lot of people out there willing to, they might never get a place in history, but i doubt that makes them forget about the pile of money they sleep over every day.
Last time i checked when youre are paid to do something the way someone else wants it to be done it was called a job.
Greenday sucks nowadays, have they sold out? dont know, but I can tell they have one hell of a job, very little fisical effort involved, songs probably written by others and very well paid. Will i listen to their crap? no, but there's a lot of people out there willing to, they might never get a place in history, but i doubt that makes them forget about the pile of money they sleep over every day.
I believe they're thinking art is more than a job, and doing it the way someone else wants is decidedly not art. They may be wrong, but I believe thats what they're thinking.
Selling out is the difference between making love to your lover, and selling it on the street corner. One is a job, the other is not. So if you view music as your job, sell out is just part of the gig. If its something you do because you love it, compromise isnt an option.
Rorshach wins again, and no-one is right.
Yes, it's possible, in which case I'd say that it isn't selling out.
I'd never suggest that it is a bad thing.
Not by my definition!
