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SFX Red Dragon Review

Timmy-Watts

I like bass. And airplanes.
Nov 12, 2010
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Cincinnati, Ohio
I have had some limited exposure to some higher end boutique type pedals recently.

I have recently become a big fan of overdrive. On upright, U-bass, and on electric, I have even gravitating towards that fatter tubey sound, anywhere from clean to a tiny bit of hair. It adds a depth and almost a natural compression and thickness, especially to the lower notes. I had been pretty happy with the sounds of Tech21's VT Bass.

On my main player, the Kala U-Bass, I have been searching for a tone control. A passive type one that cuts and shelves the highs AFTER the buffer (I prefer the F-deck). The bass's synthetic strings combined with the passive piezo pickup produce undesirable (for me) finger scratching noises. Most passive tone controls interact with passive pickups, but would probably not be desirable with this high impedance pickup without buffering. The VT Bass has great overdrive tone, but at some settings, even a full high cut on its EQ still lets through some high end above its frequency center. In fact, every EQ I own lets through highs even with full high end cut. I was looking for a tone control in a pedal (I love the f-deck and my rig) that shelves, so my friend and fellow TB'er caeman acquired a custom 2-channel always-on summing Red Dragon box made by SFX.

Each channel is gain, tone, and volume, and that's it. Powered by a 9-v wall wart (no battery), it is always on and truly sums the two into one output. There is no extra loading from the non in use channel being plugged into something. So I could put my bass into an A/B box, the two outs into each channel of the red dragon, and switch between 2 settings that way with no loss of output. Or run 2 basses.

First of all, the tone control does exactly what I needed it to do. Rolls off highs. Like the excellent tone knob on my P-bass. All the way down does not cut as far into the mids though. What I was not ready for was the incredible tone of the drive. The first third of the gain is clean. The middle thirds gets fat, ant the rest gives sweet, creamy hair, and keeps the lows. Even all up gives me the deep 3-D overdrive sound I strive for. Even with the tone knob wide open the drive does not get fuzzy or buzzy. The harmonics seem to be just right and very warm.

I dialed in the best overdrive sound I could get in my VT pedal then switched to the Dragon--- it tops it. Especially with my stingrays---where the on-board EQ is perfectly tuned (for me) I need no other tone controls. On upright and U-bass I used the VT for fat warmth, with the lows and mids flat, only the highs cut.

For tone and the best sounding overdrive for bass, I very highly recommend the Red Dragon from SFX. I cannot say enough good things about this piece.
 

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I have had some limited exposure to some higher end boutique type pedals recently.

I have recently become a big fan of overdrive. On upright, U-bass, and on electric, I have even gravitating towards that fatter tubey sound, anywhere from clean to a tiny bit of hair. It adds a depth and almost a natural compression and thickness, especially to the lower notes. I had been pretty happy with the sounds of Tech21's VT Bass.

On my main player, the Kala U-Bass, I have been searching for a tone control. A passive type one that cuts and shelves the highs AFTER the buffer (I prefer the F-deck). The bass's synthetic strings combined with the passive piezo pickup produce undesirable (for me) finger scratching noises. Most passive tone controls interact with passive pickups, but would probably not be desirable with this high impedance pickup without buffering. The VT Bass has great overdrive tone, but at some settings, even a full high cut on its EQ still lets through some high end above its frequency center. In fact, every EQ I own lets through highs even with full high end cut. I was looking for a tone control in a pedal (I love the f-deck and my rig) that shelves, so my friend and fellow TB'er caeman acquired a custom 2-channel always-on summing Red Dragon box made by SFX.

Each channel is gain, tone, and volume, and that's it. Powered by a 9-v wall wart (no battery), it is always on and truly sums the two into one output. There is no extra loading from the non in use channel being plugged into something. So I could put my bass into an A/B box, the two outs into each channel of the red dragon, and switch between 2 settings that way with no loss of output. Or run 2 basses.

First of all, the tone control does exactly what I needed it to do. Rolls off highs. Like the excellent tone knob on my P-bass. All the way down does not cut as far into the mids though. What I was not ready for was the incredible tone of the drive. The first third of the gain is clean. The middle thirds gets fat, ant the rest gives sweet, creamy hair, and keeps the lows. Even all up gives me the deep 3-D overdrive sound I strive for. Even with the tone knob wide open the drive does not get fuzzy or buzzy. The harmonics seem to be just right and very warm.

I dialed in the best overdrive sound I could get in my VT pedal then switched to the Dragon--- it tops it. Especially with my stingrays---where the on-board EQ is perfectly tuned (for me) I need no other tone controls. On upright and U-bass I used the VT for fat warmth, with the lows and mids flat, only the highs cut.

For tone and the best sounding overdrive for bass, I very highly recommend the Red Dragon from SFX. I cannot say enough good things about this piece.

Tim - the Red Dragon may be exactly what I'm looking for. Can these be purchased around the Cincy area anywhere? I've never seen one before.
 
GBassNorth said:
Tim - the Red Dragon may be exactly what I'm looking for. Can these be purchased around the Cincy area anywhere? I've never seen one before.

Go to SFX's website. There is product info, dealer info, and you can buy from the site and contact Max. He is great about getting back to you. I am heavily contemplating ordering a custom box from him sooner than later.
 
This particular pedal was a custom shop request to Max at [sfx] ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). The Micro Red Dragon ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) is what it is based on. Odds are low of seeing one locally in Cinci. Copperhead had it for sale and I jumped on it, because I just knew Tim would want it.

This is the normal looking Micro Red Dragon:
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And this is what Tim has:
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And it is confirmed that the Fretless Mahogany U-Bass now has its ideal rig:


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It has not sounded better to date. Notice my EQ is flat on the amp. And I like the two channel option. And it sounds so good I don't even want to turn it off anyways.

And Max confirmed to me that this tone circuit is the "ultra tone" circuit found in his Big Beautiful Bass pedal. It has a really cool and very sonically pleasing slope:


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Only a couple knobs and a volume can produce such a variety of tones! It is ingenious.

Seems my quest is coming to and end, but Max's gear is so great I am brainstorming a custom box to order from him. At this point it is a no-brainer.
 
caeman said:
Do it. Your only regret will be having waited so long to place your order.

As soon as I get myself organized, I will. I wanna make sure I know what I want before I order.

I'm thinking the signal flow should be:

a/b inputs (so I can have 2 basses plugged in and switch between them), then the Thumpinator circuit, followed by an OD, then the Screaminator circuit.

Also a DI with throughs so I can mix my IEM signals from my pedalboard. You know, an XLR and a line level mixer (a more me mixer), with headphone outs. Hmm...

I may have him add a compressor or maybe a hard limiter at the tail end, for IEM purposes.

Like is said, I've got some planning to do before ordering!!
 
If you really go for an integrated unit, add in the FX loop. You may regret it later if you don't. That box you propose would be very cool, but you might want to add in a delay, or chorus, or anything else after the OD function at a later time.
 
Rip Topaz said:
As soon as I get myself organized, I will. I wanna make sure I know what I want before I order.

I'm thinking the signal flow should be:

a/b inputs (so I can have 2 basses plugged in and switch between them), then the Thumpinator circuit, followed by an OD, then the Screaminator circuit.

Also a DI with throughs so I can mix my IEM signals from my pedalboard. You know, an XLR and a line level mixer (a more me mixer), with headphone outs. Hmm...

I may have him add a compressor or maybe a hard limiter at the tail end, for IEM purposes.

Like is said, I've got some planning to do before ordering!!

If you look, that is basically 4 units he already makes, just in one box. I would imagine it shouldn't be too hard.

That is very similar to what my custom box would look like.

Part of the beauty is the simplicity. And oooh the sound. That Red Dragon is the sweetest overdrive I have ever experienced on bass. Maybe the bass preamp and a Screaminator with an adjustable roll off point knob.... I got some thinking to do too.
 
That's my dilemma too.

I'm organizing my dream box here, and yes, it does include several that are already in production, but hey, if I'm gonna do it I'm gonna go all out!!

I've been checking out the site and there's some amazing creations there. Even if l got just the Thumpinator and Screaminator in the same box, it's still cooler than any other effects I've seen.

To be most effective though, I think running the Thumpinator at the beginning of my chain and the Screaminator at the end.... I'm so confused.

I'd like to put it all in one box but I'm not so sure it'll work best that way.
 
For me, the point of the Micro Screaminator is to be at the end, after any and all effects have done their sonic thing, to then low-pass filter them. If you place it BEFORE a fuzz pedal, then the fuzz pedal will be generating the stuff you wanted the LPF to stop. Or maybe you just want to stop the bass hi-freq itself, and then let the rest of the pedals do their thing. The beauty of effects is that we can all have our cake and eat it, too.
 
I have had some limited exposure to some higher end boutique type pedals recently.

I have recently become a big fan of overdrive. On upright, U-bass, and on electric, I have even gravitating towards that fatter tubey sound, anywhere from clean to a tiny bit of hair. It adds a depth and almost a natural compression and thickness, especially to the lower notes. I had been pretty happy with the sounds of Tech21's VT Bass.

On my main player, the Kala U-Bass, I have been searching for a tone control. A passive type one that cuts and shelves the highs AFTER the buffer (I prefer the F-deck). The bass's synthetic strings combined with the passive piezo pickup produce undesirable (for me) finger scratching noises. Most passive tone controls interact with passive pickups, but would probably not be desirable with this high impedance pickup without buffering. The VT Bass has great overdrive tone, but at some settings, even a full high cut on its EQ still lets through some high end above its frequency center. In fact, every EQ I own lets through highs even with full high end cut. I was looking for a tone control in a pedal (I love the f-deck and my rig) that shelves, so my friend and fellow TB'er caeman acquired a custom 2-channel always-on summing Red Dragon box made by SFX.

Each channel is gain, tone, and volume, and that's it. Powered by a 9-v wall wart (no battery), it is always on and truly sums the two into one output. There is no extra loading from the non in use channel being plugged into something. So I could put my bass into an A/B box, the two outs into each channel of the red dragon, and switch between 2 settings that way with no loss of output. Or run 2 basses.

First of all, the tone control does exactly what I needed it to do. Rolls off highs. Like the excellent tone knob on my P-bass. All the way down does not cut as far into the mids though. What I was not ready for was the incredible tone of the drive. The first third of the gain is clean. The middle thirds gets fat, ant the rest gives sweet, creamy hair, and keeps the lows. Even all up gives me the deep 3-D overdrive sound I strive for. Even with the tone knob wide open the drive does not get fuzzy or buzzy. The harmonics seem to be just right and very warm.

I dialed in the best overdrive sound I could get in my VT pedal then switched to the Dragon--- it tops it. Especially with my stingrays---where the on-board EQ is perfectly tuned (for me) I need no other tone controls. On upright and U-bass I used the VT for fat warmth, with the lows and mids flat, only the highs cut.

For tone and the best sounding overdrive for bass, I very highly recommend the Red Dragon from SFX. I cannot say enough good things about this piece.

Really cool seeing a pedal I had Max make for me put to good use but for a reason I didn't intend when I commissioned it. :cool: