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Shipping prices are insane.

I might have been having a mini-stroke earlier.

Take 2.

One thing we all could generally do better is be more thoughtful and selective consumers who buy less stuff. With more of the things we do choose to buy, we should be more focused on the things that will be most useful for the longer haul; ideally for a lifetime.

When you buy a bass, or even more potentially problematic, a big heavy amp head, or a voluminous and likely heavy speaker cabinet you have to factor what's going to happen with those things later, down the line. This all relates to less stuff needing to be shipped to and fro.

Entirely agree with you. I'm often surprised by what is considered "normal" now. Some people here flip basses like it's their job. It also seems to be common practice to order several basses online, have them shipped, try them out, keep one (or none) and have the others sent back. Repeat.

I don't get it, honestly. For me buying an instrument has always been a significant commitment. Before I consider spending my money on one I need to see it, hold it in my hands, sit down with it, play it, hear it. Unless it's a custom order...which means I know exactly what I want (again, commitment).

Of course shipping basses individually should be expensive: It's a large, fragile object that needs to be handled with care! Fuel is getting more expensive in North America, but it's still not expensive enough. If it was that expensive, most of us wouldn't drive large trucks and SUVs for absolutely no reason. For the longest time Europeans have been paying almost twice as much as we do for their fuel. Maybe they used some of these taxes to get decent trains and public transit systems out of it, who knows?
 
I don't know the mechanics of it but wonder if it might not be similar to how it is to the EU from China - many eBay, AliExpress, etc items from China are essentially drop shipped and then sent from within the EU (I've had ones which 'originated' from Belgium, the Netherlands and Hungary). Perhaps a similar set up (?) We can generally get the same 99 cent items with 'free' shipping from China as are available to the US.
No drop shipping in this case. A benefit the US government and USPS has extended to China. Here is a quote from an older article but the information is still current as far as I know. This is the first I've heard of the 4.4 pound limit and the other counties involved but that appears to be part of the deal. My memory isn't as good as it used to be.

"In 2011, the U.S. Postal Service [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] with the national postal carriers of China and Hong Kong (and subsequently South Korea and Singapore) to allow tracking-enabled packages not exceeding 36" or weighing over 4.4 pounds to be sent to the U.S. for extremely low rates. They called this shipping option the ePacket, and the rates are so low that it's cheaper to ship small parcels from China to an American city than it is to send that same parcel domestically."

Here is a link to the USPS announcement.
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
 
$198 to ship from Michigan to New Mexico…for a $350 bass.

At this point you almost have to sell on Reverb or something so you can get a shipping discount…I believe PayPal gives a decent discount too, it's just that going straight retail is painfully expensive.
 
If you can...avoid the FedEx/UPS/USPS etc 3rd party stores. Are there any regulations about what they choose to charge? However, they are very convenient and I'll sometimes pay the surcharge to save time (time is money, right?) I've had too many post shipment fees charged to my account even several days after the package was delivered. What is up with that?.

Find out where the main FedEx/UPS shipping facility for your town and do your business there. That way you cut out the middle-man (i.e. 3rd Party Store) and the FedEx shipping center is straight-forward and consistent on prices. Also, it helps to to register for a business account with FedEx/UPS/DHL or whoever as it simplifies the shipping process (print labels from home, payment is pre-setup, etc... Is there a price advantage? I think so but I have not taken the time to do real math so....

Just Sayin',
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Came here to say this. Go straight the actual FedEx/UPS store, not to a mailboxes etc., or another third party type of place. I returned a bass the other day, I had a pre paid label, wanted to drop it off at the convenient place across the street that also sell pop sockets and incense, and they were going to charge me a very large handling fee for an oversized box, even though I had a prepaid label. I took it straight to the actual FedEx store instead. No handling fee charged.
 
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the destruction of postal machines in the States during the last election cycle put paid to that. That has created an environment where the couriers can charge as much as they want…

This is NOT a thing. There is an agreement between USPS and Canada Post; they deliver each other's packages per a contracted agreement. Private carriers, big or small, national or international have always charged as much as they want…or at least what the market will bear. If rates become unbearable, people will change the way they do business (evidenced by many of the comments in this thread).
 
This is NOT a thing. There is an agreement between USPS and Canada Post; they deliver each other's packages per a contracted agreement. Private carriers, big or small, national or international have always charged as much as they want…or at least what the market will bear. If rates become unbearable, people will change the way they do business (evidenced by many of the comments in this thread).
Cross-border agreements are still in place, but my experience is that the stateside end of the postal delivery process has slowed down drastically over the last couple of years, and that was the explanation I was give by friends in the States.

Whatever the cause, USPS seems to have lost its principal advantage compared to the couriers, which is a shame.
 
This is what my delivery truck looks like every day.

300-400 packages, 150-175 stops

50% of my day and the majority of the packages are going to commercial business (hospital, airport, warehouses, office buildings, car dealerships, grocery store, etc)

45-49% residential stops for packages coming from Amazon, Target, Walmart, Petco.

maybe 1-3% are packages from private shippers to a residence. (this would be your used bass or amp you sold online)

Maybe they are raising the shipping prices like people that put a high rate for a job they don't want or need to do. But if someone pays the high price?
 
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Cross-border agreements are still in place, but my experience is that the stateside end of the postal delivery process has slowed down drastically over the last couple of years, and that was the explanation I was give by friends in the States.

Whatever the cause, USPS seems to have lost its principal advantage compared to the couriers, which is a shame.
UPS, and FEDEX both use USPS for "last mile" here where I live.
As has been suggested, it is cheaper to have it delivered (if you are the receiver) at a pickup location (for me Walgreens 10 miles away)
Also, always go directly to the carrier. Not staples, mailboxes ETC, "the UPS store" etc.
Box it yourself .
Be creative. Remove a bolt on. Reuse boxes you already have, get bubble wrap on Amazon. If shipping without a case or gigbag, use the thin "dish packing" sheets to wrap it up. Roll up some cardboard and make a padded sleeve for the tuners.
Roll up more wrap, cover the bottom for the "butt" to rest on. Wrap the rest in bubble, and squeeze into the box. Make thicker neck length rolls to stabilize the neck side to side, then squeeze another bumper on top.
If you can, then drop it inside of ANOTHER box, and pad that one out too.

All said and done, the actual weight is less impact, than Dimensional Weight.

I've used thin 1/4" plywood in-between the boxes to diminish punctures .

You can never use too much tape.


I scour local dumpsters and get the thick rigid Poly foam to make end caps and stability braces too.

Cling wrap is not out of the question.

Then go to Pirateship.com and buy a prepaid label.

To not accrue after ship charges "penalties "
Do not use the printed dimensions, add 1/2 inch all around, add a lb to the weight.

Shipped a bass w/case 400 miles with 2day delivery 52x17x8 32# and 2k insurance for 68.00.

Ups direct, 120, FedEx 150.

Yay Pirateship.
 
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Never heard of this service and it sounds too good to be true. There are some horror stories on TrustPilot; seems like half the users give one star and the other half gives five stars, so maybe you've been lucky.

PIRATE SHIPS - PIRATESHIP.COM is rated "Average" with 3 / 5 on Trustpilot
I just came in to make sure everyone knew about Pirateship as well....I have used them to ship at least 7 basses and not had a problem, and the last one was shipped UPS 2 Day....$150
 
Sorry to put angry in there. Not sure what flippers have to do with shipping costs thought, nothing I can think of

True. With this comment about flippers (or maybe more accurately "constant shoppers"), I was only agreeing with the post I was quoting that we would probably all be better off if, as consumers, we looked at things with the longer term in mind rather than "toy of the week" mentality.
 
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I just came in to make sure everyone knew about Pirateship as well....I have used them to ship at least 7 basses and not had a problem, and the last one was shipped UPS 2 Day....$150

I haven't used Pirateship, but I imagine a broker could offer a much lower price than available to many consumers and still make a profit. I'm always shocked at the price differences between quotes I get from FedEx and UPS via my large corporation account vs. retail.

I'm talking $32-35 at the UPS store or with a FedEx or UPS online label, vs. $11-12 for the same service with the corp. account.
 
True. With this comment about flippers (or maybe more accurately "constant shoppers"), I was only agreeing with the post I was quoting that we would probably all be better off if, as consumers, we looked at things with the longer term in mind rather than "toy of the week" mentality.
I can get behind that. I owned only 2 basses for the 1st 20 years I played. In the last 5 to 6 years, i've owned and sold around 60 different basses. Currently only have 4. So I guess i'm a little sensitive to the flipper scene since i seem to be one, lol:roflmao:
 

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