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Sid Vicious could play the bass

Please note: This thread isn't about whether or not you like the Pistols, Sid Vicious or punk music in general. I'm just trying to clear up a common misconception.

Today marks the 41st anniversary of Sid's death. Because of this, a lot of people are remembering him on Facebook and in other places with the mandatory mention heard a million times - that he couldn't play the bass at all.

Quite the contrary: he actually could, and there are a few pieces of evidence attesting to that.

Here's 20 minutes of Sid Vicious in Stockholm in 1977 - plugged in, playing the bass, audible and doing exactly what he's supposed to.



Of course he ain't Jaco or Wooten, or even his more melodic and capable predecessor Glen Matlock. He's playing root notes, having fun and I'd say he's doing a good job.

I'll post three more clips at the end of this post. The first two are of the Pistols live where you can hear Sid playing. The third is the sound check for the infamous final show in San Francisco. You can hear Sid playing some simple Ramones lines and Johnny Rotten at one point asks the sound guys to turn Sid down.

I'd say it's about time to start clearing up the misconception about his inability to play and other things like Sid being unplugged on purpose. Whether you like him or not, he was after all a fellow bass player with a very tragic story. Things would have certainly been different for him if heroin hadn't set in, and there are many people who consider the Pistols among their influences for picking up an instrument and starting to play. I know I'm one of them - there was a time when my teenage self wouldn't stop playing "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols" and "Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables" by the Dead Kennedys back to back on a continuous loop for days on end.

RIP Sid. No future!



 
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Ha, yes, me too. The "evidence" aside, I don't believe him to be much of a musician. Your opinion may vary.

In Rolling Stone magazine when asked about the band...."Just everything. It was Sid just being an idiot, just wanting to get high and not trying to play bass."

And before the OP comments on it..... I like the Pistols, Never Mind the Bullocks and the Great Rock n Roll Swindle are in my collection.
 
Ha, yes, me too. The "evidence" aside, I don't believe him to be much of a musician. Your opinion may vary.

In Rolling Stone magazine when asked about the band...."Just everything. It was Sid just being an idiot, just wanting to get high and not trying to play bass."

And before the OP comments on it..... I like the Pistols, Never Mind the Bullocks and the Great Rock n Roll Swindle are in my collection.



I'm fine with Sid's playing and the Pistols.



But I do love a good trainwreck, which these threads tend to turn into, much like Jaco threads!
 
Please note: This thread isn't about whether or not you like the Pistols, Sid Vicious or punk music in general. I'm just trying to clear up a common misconception.

Today marks the 41st anniversary of Sid's death. Because of this, a lot of people are remembering him on Facebook and in other places with the mandatory mention heard a million times - that he couldn't play the bass at all.

Quite the contrary: he actually could, and there are a few pieces of evidence attesting to that.

Here's 20 minutes of Sid Vicious in Stockholm in 1977 - plugged in, playing the bass, audible and doing exactly what he's supposed to.



Of course he ain't Jaco or Wooten, or even his more melodic and capable predecessor Glen Matlock. He's playing root notes, having fun and I'd say he's doing a good job.

I'll post three more clips at the end of this post. The first two are of the Pistols live where you can hear Sid playing. The third is the sound check for the infamous final show in San Francisco. You can hear Sid playing some simple Ramones lines and Johnny Rotten at one point asks the sound guys to turn Sid down.

I'd say it's about time to start clearing up the misconception about his inability to play and other things like Sid being unplugged on purpose. Whether you like him or not, he was after all a fellow bass player with a very tragic story. Things would have certainly been different for him if heroin hadn't set in, and there are many people who consider the Pistols among their influences for picking up an instrument and starting to play. I know I'm one of them - there was a time when my teenage self wouldn't stop playing "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols" and "Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables" by the Dead Kennedys back to back on a continuous loop for days on end.

RIP Sid. No future!




Just for the record, since you didn’t exactly touch upon it, you do know that any tracks from Bollocks that were not Matlock, bass was overdubbed by Steve Jones in a rooty/riff style(Sid did attempt one session, song title escapes me, but Jones had to clean that one up as well), right? As far as I know, Jones even played bass on “My Way”.
 
Just for the record, since you didn’t exactly touch upon it, you do know that any tracks from Bollocks that were not Matlock, bass was overdubbed by Steve Jones in a rooty/riff style(Sid did attempt one session, song title escapes me, but Jones had to clean that one up as well), right? As far as I know, Jones even played bass on “My Way”.

You're absolutely correct, he played on "Bodies" I think, and even that wasn't used in full.

I'd say the "sweet spot" for Sid's playing would be around mid 1977, give or take. Afterwards his habits really worsened and that's what he's mostly remembered today for.

Troll thread fail.

An opinion that you might consider unpopular doesn't equal a troll thread.
 
Please note: This thread isn't about whether or not you like the Pistols, Sid Vicious or punk music in general. I'm just trying to clear up a common misconception.

No you aren't. Rather you are trying to romanticize the idea of Sid Vicious, then use that as a basis for legitimizing the idea of his musicianship. You are mistaken or in denial, as follows:

there was a time when my teenage self wouldn't stop playing "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols" and "Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables" by the Dead Kennedys back to back on a continuous loop for days on end.

Apparently this thread is about likes and dislikes after all. What does your listening habits as a teenager have to do with the question of whether Sid Vicious could play bass? For that matter, since (as someone mentioned in a reply here) Vicious played appreciably no bass on the tracks that became "Never Mind The Bollocks...", what musical or technical importance would he have had for you then?

Whether you like him or not, he was after all a fellow bass player with a very tragic story.

If something here legitimately is in question, then that is whether Sid Vicious deserves to be considered a bass player. Citing his "very tragic story" first of all smacks of euphamism or simply being apologist. But most importantly, it is irrelevant to what is in question.

There is every indication that Vicious was a right jackass. But whether or not he was is not germane to whether he should be considered to be "a fellow bass player" or any kind of bass player worth remembering.


Upon its original release, I started listening to "Never Mind the Bollocks...", and I own a copy of it to this day. A musician of a different sort in years prior, in 1979 I pickup up a bass guitar for the first time.

Way back then, among many other musics, I listened to various strains of punk or punk-like music. The ones I was influenced by most then were The Ramones, and also The Deadbeats and The Dickies. I never then or in years after counted The Sex Pistols as an influence on my bass guitar playing. But even if I did, in hindsight I would have had to admit that Sid Vicious was not the reason why.
 
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I was a bit of a bass snob as a young man when the Pistols were around, I was trying really hard to be Chris Squire, the antithesis of everything the Pistols were about. I get it now, you don't have to be a great player to have something to say, but who's going to have more ability to speak, the functionally illiterate guy, or the trained writer. Not talking content, just ability to express what's in your head. Sid was an idiot, and Johnny Rotten one of the world's preeminent A**holes based on the few interviews I've seen of him. It's hard to separate the message from the messenger, but when I try, all I hear is mediocre playing at best. Yeah, they were pissed off and socially alienated, which makes them no different than generations of young players who actually took the time to learn to play. Next..........
 
Ok, as a fan of the Pistols and punk for 30 years, I will agree with Panek on this topic. Sid could play basic root notes and they did have him turned up on the songs he could play. Look at No Fun, it's two notes and he could play it. Of course he's no Glenn or Klaus Flouride but he had an image and attitude that fit the band to an extent.
His singing on My way, Something else, and C'mon everybody was amazing. He could've become a great punk vocalist if he didn't take the bad route of a junkie.
 
I've played in cover and original bands, where we had 4 or 5 sets of material that we did - always the same arrangements, in the same key. It's not hard to be able to play that kind of gig adequately, especially when the material isn't really demanding. So, yes, he could "play bass" - he was sufficient for what they needed.

I don't think he was really "good", though.
 
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