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Sid Vicious could play the bass

The Sex Pistols changed rock music, for the better I think. They opened the door for a lot of bands that would not otherwise have gotten a shot. And Never Mind the Bollocks is one of the great albums.

Sid was a central part of the punk scene in London and helped make the band what it was. I doubt he would have claimed to be a good musician, but that was beside the point.
 
I don't think Lydon was an A**hole at all... I think it depended on who was doing the interviewing and whether he liked/respected them. And there was the whole "playing to the audience thing." I actually think he's a very smart guy. I have seen some great interviews with him.

As far as them not learning to play well.... wasn't that really the point? They wanted to do so and prove that you could make great music without much prowess and they achieved that goal IMO. And look, isn't that true of a lot of "big," musicians? I know some people may think Dylan is a great singer... me, not so much. But it didn't matter. Other things well made up for his lack of vocal talents. The Pistols re-iterated that you can write a great song and be a great band without being great musicians. It worked for me.

...And, once a lot of the old punks got around to learning how to play (the "Post-Punk" era).... things got really interesting. Punks influence is all over the place these days.
I guess we didn't watch the same interviews!:laugh: Nope, Lydon's a bonafide a-hole, I saw one where the interviewer was going out of his way to be polite and respectful, and Lydon just had to do his cheesy anarchist bad-boy schtick, which just made him look pathetic. He is by no means alone in a-holedom in the annals of rock and roll, but when it becomes a required component of your "persona", time to hang it up. They didn't call it the "Filthy Lucre" tour for nothing. As long as we are raking rock stars over the coals, I'll admit I never thought much of the Dead either, seems like all those years of jamming should have produced better musicians, but the few times I saw them, they were sloppy as hell, and the whole Dead "scene" swirling around the stadium was far more interesting than the band. Industrial quantities of drug intake doesn't improve anything really, as Sid found out all too quickly.
 
I think that the only track Matlock played on was God Save the Queen (I could be wrong).

Speaking of Matlock.... his being ousted or quitting was the beginning for the end of band IMO. I think they only wrote one or two songs after he left. Sid looked great and fit in better image-wise, but that was about it for me.
There's an original recording out there somewhere with Matlock on all of the songs. The overall sound of the recording is a little more raw and the bass playing is arguably better than what Jones did.
 
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My preference for recordings is the 'demo' source material I have it as 'the Mini-Album' but in my mind it's superior in it's roughness and overall threat level. It was the record I bought first and when I did get a copy of Bollocks shortly after I was disappointed in how polished and toothless it was.
Sorry I missed this the first time going through. Matlock plays on the whole demo as far as I know. IMO, it is vastly superior and way more aggressive. It doesn't sound quite as thick and compressed if I remember correctly.
 
Sorry I missed this the first time going through. Matlock plays on the whole demo as far as I know. IMO, it is vastly superior and way more aggressive. It doesn't sound quite as thick and compressed if I remember correctly.

He does... and it's way better than sloppy 8th notes.







The Mini Album (Japan)1982 - YouTube
 
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Sorry I missed this the first time going through. Matlock plays on the whole demo as far as I know. IMO, it is vastly superior and way more aggressive. It doesn't sound quite as thick and compressed if I remember correctly.

The demos were actually released on vinyl on the black market to compete with the official "NMTB," and in his tome "Bootleg," alt-recording history expert Clayton Heylin contends that it was Pistols manager Malcom McClaren himself who covertly distributed the contraband "demo" version.

 
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The demos were actually released on vinyl on the black market to compete with the official "NMTB," and in his tome "Bootleg," alt-recording history expert Clayton Heylin contends that it was Pistols manager Malcom McClaren himself who covertly distributed the contraband "demo" version.



I just remember getting it when I was 18 in 82. I remember that it was way better than the official version. I think the Steve Brown version of Electric by The Cult and Steve Albini's version of In Color/B&W are two other examples of recordings that are significantly better than what became popular. The CT one obviously being long after the original came out.
 
Also, I thought Lydon's book Rotten did a really good job of presenting the band from his perspective, his motives, behavior, etc. Generally speaking he's been a great iconoclast figurehead for long time. I don't necessarily always agree with him, but he was definitely the right guy for the job and carried contempt, spite, threat and general outsider attitude perfectly.
 
I guess we didn't watch the same interviews!:laugh: Nope, Lydon's a bonafide a-hole, I saw one where the interviewer was going out of his way to be polite and respectful, and Lydon just had to do his cheesy anarchist bad-boy schtick, which just made him look pathetic. He is by no means alone in a-holedom in the annals of rock and roll, but when it becomes a required component of your "persona", time to hang it up. They didn't call it the "Filthy Lucre" tour for nothing. As long as we are raking rock stars over the coals, I'll admit I never thought much of the Dead either, seems like all those years of jamming should have produced better musicians, but the few times I saw them, they were sloppy as hell, and the whole Dead "scene" swirling around the stadium was far more interesting than the band. Industrial quantities of drug intake doesn't improve anything really, as Sid found out all too quickly.

Loved Lydon's bratty shtick at the time, but in retrospect I must agree that in, say, the Tom Snyder interview, Lydon now strikes me more PILL than PIL.

Also think in retrospect that Lou did this same routine with considerably more charm and 'umor.

 
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I don't think Lydon was an A**hole at all... I think it depended on who was doing the interviewing and whether he liked/respected them. And there was the whole "playing to the audience thing." I actually think he's a very smart guy. I have seen some great interviews with him.

As far as them not learning to play well.... wasn't that really the point? They wanted to do so and prove that you could make great music without much prowess and they achieved that goal IMO. And look, isn't that true of a lot of "big," musicians? I know some people may think Dylan is a great singer... me, not so much. But it didn't matter. Other things well made up for his lack of vocal talents. The Pistols re-iterated that you can write a great song and be a great band without being great musicians. It worked for me.

...And, once a lot of the old punks got around to learning how to play (the "Post-Punk" era).... things got really interesting. Punks influence is all over the place these days.
Yep. I think the Stones are probably not the elite on their instruments but only they can sound that good together. I love them. Same for the Sex Pistols only those guys can sound like the Sex Pistols. I love them. Whoever is on the bass. Those guys are the type that are laughing at us for even taking this much time to type about this. The more I think about it they’ve been laughing at us since the rip.

that’s why they are planted in the forever original music get downs of all time.
 
I think that the only track Matlock played on was God Save the Queen (I could be wrong).

Speaking of Matlock.... his being ousted or quitting was the beginning for the end of band IMO. I think they only wrote one or two songs after he left. Sid looked great and fit in better image-wise, but that was about it for me.
He was definitely on the first single, “Anarchy”/“I Wanna Be Me” as well as the follow up of “God Save The Queen”(basic tracks recorded Oct, ‘76); B-sides are anyone’s guess, but he was on the “Pretty Vacant” B, a cover of the Stooges’ “No Fun” which came from an earlier Dave Goodman session. Matlock contends that he walked away from the band because of the increasing BS manufactured by McLaren, but agreed to come back as a session player until late Feb ‘77, when he finally had enough in the wake of the story floated that he’d been kicked out for liking The Beatles. As far as who wrote what, it’s all he said/he said...
Glen Matlock - Wikipedia
As Jones learned guitar from playing along with Stooges and NY Dolls albums, any song with Thunders, Asheton, and Williamson moves, like “No Feelings”, I’d have to grant that Jonesy had a hand in; Matlock was a big Small Faces fan; something like “Pretty Vacant” is definitely his. Speaking of The Faces, Glen got his fanboy fantasy come true a few years back...


Since Rod was too cool for school at the time, Simply Red’s Mick Hucknall did a decent job filling in.