So what exactly was so special about the Intersonic Servodrive?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by CheshireCatFun, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013
    I know Billy Sheehan used to use one, and it probably had something to do with his subwoofing pickup set deep into the neck, but what was so special about it? It ostensibly had a more powerful sound, definition, and presence due to the cones being driven by a servo drive vs. magnetic coils, but how did that play out in reality?

    C.
     
  2. Probably played hell with the PA subs.
     
  3. Here is a nice blurb from one of the pro audio blogs that kind of summarizes other stuff I've read about these. Basically, it explains why it disappeared and is not longer needed. Not sure about the exact 'mechanical motor' deal used to produce the sound, but these days, the powerful subwoofer drivers available seem superior.


    'Tom Danley's Intersonic servodrive subwoofers had an Xmax of 12.5 to 16 mm depending on the unit.

    At a time when most woofers had an Xmax of around 4mm, the advantages where huge, and with four units of the BT7 having a sensitivity of 110 dB 1 watt one meter, half space, 28- 125 Hz, they were as efficient as cone speakers. There simply were no cone speakers with the BL product or Xmax anywhere near what the servodrive units had at the time.'
     
  4. +1 Makes little sense to have that sort of sub-bass coming out of a backline system (at least for an artist who ALWAYS would have front of house support).
     
  5. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013
    Whereas, today . . . .? (I'm still very new to all this.)

    C.
     
  6. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Look at what Tom Danley now makes:

    http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/

    The Tapped Horn subs beat the ServoDrive ones on all fronts. Wouldn't want any of them in backline though!
     
  7. Today there are neo drivers (i.e., standard heavy duty speakers) that have incredible specs for subwoofer systems. I'm just an interesting layman that reads about this stuff. Maybe Alex can chime in, since he posted above.
     
  8. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013
    What is the term for the attribute of a horn path doubling back and forth within the enclosure?

    So, whatever that attribute is, the Intersonic had it, and a number of subwoofer cabs today have it, but the thing that made the Servodrive different was the motor driven cone vs. a magnet driven cone, but now there are magnet driven cones that are much stronger than the motor driven cone was, ergo, it's become absolute. Is that correct?

    In what setting would a Servodrive or one of it's betters work best? A massive arena or outdoor concert, like these massive rock festivals? I assume while playing in a small club setting, or modest venue, one of these subwoofing behemoths wouldn't be necessary?

    Also . . .

    Do tell.

    C.
     
  9. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Servodrive was a way of getting high sensitivity and high excursion from a subwoofer driver, although with very limited upper bandwidth. With modern neodymium magnet motors you can achieve similar results. Then do something clever liked the tapped horn (which makes a driver appear to change parameters by driving the higher low frequencies with both sides of the cone in phase and then the lower low frequencies with just one side of the cone) to fully leverage a huge excursion, huge voice coil, high moving mass driver.
     
  10. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013
    This has piqued my interest. "Tapped" horn? Do tell.

    C.
     
  11. Balog

    Balog

    Mar 19, 2009
    Everett, WA
  12. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013

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  13. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    I don't know about how the horn works, but one reason for pointing the speaker "backwards" is to suppress direct radiation from the dust cap.
     
  14. CheshireCatFun

    CheshireCatFun

    Mar 9, 2013
    From Art Welter, posting in www.diyaudio.com . . .

    Does that sound about right?

    C.
     
  15. 20db pad

    20db pad

    Feb 11, 2003
    I been everywhere, man...
    None. At all.
    I've seen Billy perform years before he used the Intersonics, as well as the year or 18 months he actually used one, and the many years after he stopped using them. He didn't sound remarkably better when he had them. They were designed and conceptualized to amplify sub-lows. They did that well but most of what they excelled at isn't of optimum usefulness for bass guitar. If they were, Billy and most everybody else would be using them still, and they aren't.
     
  16. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    On a forum where many users balk at carrying an 8 lb. head when they can carry a 6 lb. head, I don't think many people will be buying a 412 sub that weighs 357 lbs ;)
     
  17. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    An astute observation.
     
  18. Rick James

    Rick James Inactive

    Feb 24, 2007
    New Jersey
    The reason the speakers are backwards is that there isn't any rear chamber, so they wouldn't fit facing the other direction.
    That's not right. A tapped horn and a bass reflex both use both sides of the cone. A tapped horn is more efficient than a bass reflex because it's a horn. There's nothing about a tapped horn that's magical, it's a simple variation of a rear loaded horn that's been around since the 1950s. It's only advantage over a regular horn is that it's smaller, because it doesn't have a big rear chamber for the speaker. It's disadvantage is that it needs a longer excursion higher power speaker than a regular horn, so they cost more.
     
  19. throbgod13

    throbgod13

    Mar 26, 2005
    Texas
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subwoofer

    "Servo subwoofers

    Some active subwoofers use a servo feedback mechanism based on cone movement which modifies the signal sent to the voice coil. The servo feedback signal is derived from a comparison of the input signal to the amplifier versus the actual motion of the cone. The usual source of the feedback signal is a few turns of voice coil attached to the cone or a microchip-based accelerometer placed on the cone itself.[29][30] An advantage of a well-implemented servo subwoofer design is reduced distortion making smaller enclosure sizes possible.[31] The primary disadvantages are cost and complexity.[32]

    Servo controlled subwoofers are not the same as Servodrive subwoofers whose primary mechanism of sound reproduction avoids the normal voice coil and magnet combination in favor of a high-speed belt-driven servomotor. The Servodrive design increases output power, reduces harmonic distortion and virtually eliminates the loss of loudspeaker output that results from an increase in voice coil impedance due to overheating of the voice coil (called power compression.) This feature allows high power operation for extended periods of time.[33][34][35] Intersonics was nominated for a TEC Award for its Servo Drive Loudspeaker (SDL) design in 1986 and for the Bass Tech 7 model in 1990.[36][37]"
     
  20. 18eranaRic

    18eranaRic Inactive

    Mar 7, 2009
    Malibu, USA