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Solo shows, With Projection Mapping and Ableton Looping.

flameworker

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Does anyone do these? For a few years I used to play with just a drummer, and a microphone.

The main problem we had was too many amature "MC"s. We played mostly instrumentals, I sing on maybe 1 in 5 tracks. And we would have good hip hop artists(from established local groups ) freestyle as guests on a few songs. And on lucky nights a guest instrumentalist or 2 to fill out the sound. We played 5 nights a week for a while, it caught on eventually. The best part of a two piece band is the worst part of a 12, $$$.

The problem was, once some one did their thing on the mic, people thought it was open mic or something, and after that it sonetimes became impossible to police.

It's hard enough keeping a crowd interested in a two piece semi-improvisational groove dance band, but add a moron spitting "my name is ------and I came to----" forget it.

I'm going back to a similar, stripped down 2-3 piece sansguitar/lead singer group, and I'm wondering, what do people do to keep kooks off the microphone? Oh, sometimes the kook is a friend you don't want to offend.

Second question, what if I dump the drummer too and use a looper and Ableton live? That seems like an insane amount of pressure, but acoustic guitar people do it. I was thinking throw in some jazz standards, a few beatles as instrumentals, a sung song like creep by radio head somewhere... idk, my guitar player was killed and I can't bring myself to replace him.

I heard some really cool experimental music a member hipped me to.

Any bassists here play full on solo shows? What is the format like? Response? Tips?

One thing I learned from the 2 piece, and playing acoustic guitar, play LOUD, or people start having conversations, I suppose if you're hired to provide background music that's ok.
 
The main problem we had was too many amature "MC"s. ... I'm wondering, what do people do to keep kooks off the microphone?

Have a mic for you, second mic for guests. Mute the guest mic when not in use, and tuck it back by the drums. Mute your own mic when you're in instrumental mode. That way, if anyone goes for a mic when you've got your hands full mid-song, it's muted.
 
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That is a simple and straightforward idea, if I Never share my mic, there will be no precident for people to use it! Duh.. I'll swap the 58beta for a regular 58 and put gaff tape on the switch. Taping it to the stand will help too, I'm pretty tall. It really hurts people s feeling s to have to kick them off the mic.

I thought of another solution thanks to your guests mic idea, when it's not in use, I'll plug it's XLR line into a keyboard or something, no one is going to start unplugging things.

A little guest flavor is nice. But I have had half a show comandeered, that was awful. It was a good friend, and I didn't have the heart to cut him off, but he is one of those self rightgeous hip hop guys that raps about paying his child support and obeying traffic laws*(not really traffic laws). Love the man, hate the rhymes. When I did cut the signal he looked like he was going to cry. I tried to do a show or 2 with no vcoal mic at all, but I found it very hard to keep interest.
 
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I'm going to build robot s!!!!

My roommate is a hoarder, gadgets and appliances galore! Toys, haloween stuff, we have a 12 foot inflatable dragon and a smoke machine, an electronic drum set,Servos motors from my abandoned cnc machine, 30 electronic solenoids air valves!!

All they have to do is look cool,and appear to hit the kick snare high hat, everything else can be digital to start. I think the same midi signal for the drums can be used to control a robot, it's a 1998 Roland set.

Where can I learn robots?
 
Or just add a big video screen. Animate robots on it. Ableton can mix with video clips.
If you have any solo tracks of your old guitarist pull it into ableton and Slice to MIDI, you be able to reconstruct them into new songs. You can repitch individual clips. Melody can reach in and change internal notes, like make a minor chord from a major.
 
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Video is excellent idea, my whole thing is trying to add more theatrical entertainment. I have a couple projectors that need bulbs.

Still building robots! Drummer bot first, I have a full size plastic skeleton, . I also have a bunch of older computers, drummer gets its own.

This will be hard to pull off with out looking cheesy.
 
How about monitor s for the robots heads... since each one gets its own computer.
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Here is a good one
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you can buy little robot arms at many places on the internet
that combined with video can be mind blowing performance art.

That Is AMZING AMAZING, I want to do that BADLY now, what is it called??

Projection Mapping?

How Di I find out more? What kind of gear is that? I have a couple projectors but nothing like that

Does the audience wear 3d glasses?

The grateful dead sometimes had 3d audio holograms somehow. No clue how the soundman did it.
 
Ok, I have contacted a company to assist.

Complete revisioning, Thanks to SeaMonkey!! (Ilike science too)
I forgot I worked in the theater for several years, and as a yellowcard union Stagehand- electrician (lights) . For some reason It never occurred to me to combine the theater stuff with the shows I put on. DUH!!. My buddy owns 15 Intelebeams, kinda dated now maybe but still cool.

Here is what i have in mind so far.

dark stage, All projection is black and white
Kick Drum skin and sides are covered with projector screen, as is snare. snare is set up at an angle facing out so audience can see it. I walk out and sit at the kick drum dressed in black. When I approach the drums an R382 congo blue illuminates the area

a projector lights kick drum in an outward sploosh of concentric black and white rings with each hit, to simulate vibration. Same with snare.
patterns trigger with each hit.
boom...........pap.
pause.....
ba...boom
p...pap
pause...
boom..pap..boom-- bo bo pap---- boom pap boom bo bo pap Boom (repeats as 8 or 16 bar pattern,HA i think in loops now)

This is done Live using ableton on computer #1(drum puter), eventually an air solenoid will operate kick and snare after I start the loop, til then they are mic'd, into ableton. The lights on the drums might be effective enough if there is proper PA support (or I need to build my own massive DrumAmp, and I probably will. I Think a 4 x 15"cab running 1000 watts should be as loud as a trap set)

I stand up, a tight yello spot light ( amber 134) shows a bass supported by a stand(in playing position) The bass is hooked to a looper or ableton. Directly behind me is another screen(you cant see it yet) I start playing the bass , eventually hit a 16 bar phrase I like and trigger the loop...As I step away A CGI me, or a CGI Robot, or cartoon is projected on the screen and plays the loop. I could program a change while at it as well.

I walk over to another likewise suspended instrument, a R026 or046 red light bathes that one...

Thanks so much for the projector idea, you took my corny "JunkYard Scrapheap" robot idea, and turned it into something that will look classy, and be just, if not more entertaining.

I will need to work with another musician probably, but I guess SquarePusher does it all on his own, so maybe not. forgot about square pusher, I wonder what he is up to. I have an aversion to his work, a previous band I was in DownHillRacer Spent a year in the studio (my brother owns TribeSoundRecords and was the drummer) writing an album. 8 of the songs our keyboard player supplied the original hooks too, which we then labored, fought, lost sleep turning into complex arrangements with well written lyrics, 4 part harmonies and strange time changes, point is lots of work. Those 8 songs were ALL PLAGARISED!!!! The material me and the guitarist supplied we wrote, and I guess he couldnt compose, so he ripped off BoardsofCanada,SquarePusher,etc, at the time obscure unheard of bands. We didn't find out til at a show someone said "THATS my favorite song!" thanks, I said..I wrote it...No dude, thats a squarepusher song!! We went out to his car, the guy had made a mix tape of all the songs , he thought we knew. Of course it was the end of the band, there was almost a fistfight, I kicked the keyboard hard,knocking it off the stand, I wanted BLOOD. A YEAR of working on that album, and we FOUGHT, I had the idea that since all 4 of us like such wildly different music, if we painfully colaborated it would be greater than the sum of its parts. It was really good music, and after I thought about it I suggested we contact the people who wrote the original hooks, after all we had converted them into Pop-Rock songs ala Radio head. I'm sure they would have liked what we did, noone else wanted to proceed. All we had left to do was the final vocals to finish the album. I still wanted to finish it, but they wouldn't. So everything has SM58 recorded scratch vocals (which I told them we should still be doing as if they were thru a ross, but the guitarist wanted to "save" his voice, so his tracks suck. I will see if anything remains, I do know my brothers main computer crashed, and he did not have redundant drives!!!!! He was running out of space so he ERASED one of the TB drives to use that. ARGGGGG!!!!! A full year, 4-5 nights a week 5-10 hours a night, not to mention all the time I spent writing all the god damn lyrics. Wasted.

As far as I know All that remains from the session Is this one song. You have to hit play. Again, scratch vocals from an Sm58. It's not mastered or even really mixed.

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I would totally enjoy a performance like that.

My Avatar is "SCIENCE Ruining everything since 1543", It is a funny book.

Personally, I believe music is science. Every musician plays by scientific methods whether they believe it or not. Music has always driven technology, and technology can drive performance. Music can enhance the visual, like in movies. and the visuals can enhance the music - like in artistic performances.

Keep up the imagination - it would be cool to see! :)
 
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Hey @flameworker, that is cool idea that, if done well, would be awesome.

I personally use ableton for solo and a duo thing that I am involved in, although it is still in the rehearsal stage more than the show stage (although we/I have done some test runs).

The set up I use is:

- Laptop running Ableton (synced to second laptop with ableton when we do the duo).
- USB midi keyboard
- Tablet to launch scenes etc.
- Smartphone to control master functions in ableton
- Bass through B3 (or through desk) into ableton
- Mics through desk into Ableton
- Midi foot controller for ableton (still being built)


You can use ableton to launch video clips depending on scenes and clips, which works pretty well.

One thing though, this involves many many many hours of rehearsal.
 
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That sounds like a great setup. I have 3 laptops I just reformatted so they will be dedicated able to n rigs.
I haven't even figured out how to link them yet tho.

Foot control is a great idea, looking into that now. There is a thing that clips on your guitar with pads and such called a wing I'm looking into too. The thing sound tribe sector 9 uses is also pretty cool.

I just don't want to look cheesy, or self indulgent, there are some square pusher vids that make me queasy.
 
That sounds like a great setup. I have 3 laptops I just reformatted so they will be dedicated able to n rigs.
I haven't even figured out how to link them yet tho.

Foot control is a great idea, looking into that now. There is a thing that clips on your guitar with pads and such called a wing I'm looking into too. The thing sound tribe sector 9 uses is also pretty cool.

I just don't want to look cheesy, or self indulgent, there are some square pusher vids that make me queasy.

Hey flameworker, I'm doing the solo bass/ableton thing, and the GuitarWing works great. I just started experimenting midi mapping video stuff in Ableton..
Full setup is Bass, GuitarWing, KMI 12-step foot-contoller.

Here's a video of a solo tune on bass/Ableton/Guitarwing:


If you have any questions, let me know... and keep me posted on your work, would love to check it out!

Darren