Uh... no. A Thumb is not a finger. That’s why it’s called a thumb. Lol.
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Someone please explain all the love for Steve Harris
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Uh... no. A Thumb is not a finger. That’s why it’s called a thumb. Lol.
I used to think along your line of thinking, but then I got to meet a lot of notable musicians. Some famous... some infamous. Very few of them were good all around musicians. They were stylists. In the days when there was a studio scene, I believe your view was more applicable. But, those folks didn't make the same bucks that the pop, rock guys were making. Jack Bruce was NOT a great "all rounder." Entwistle either... Nor is Sheehan or the only Billionaire musician alive... McCartney. Nope... They found aspects and they expounded on those particular facets of interest.
Let me clue you in on a little secret I discuss a lot about A&R peeps.
If an A&R person sees you play various styles in a club, and they are thinking of signing you. You'll most likely be thinking, "I'm showing versatility and my ability to play/sing different styles of music. I'm capable of doing anything reasonably well. How can they not sign me?"
The mind of an A&R person is a different beast. They'll actually be thinking...
"I don't understand. I thought you were... (a singer, a songwriter of ONE particular genre, you have scared me)"
They don't have the capacity for abstract thinking usually. They can't pigeonhole you. i.e. slot you into a market.
I know many people that don't care for Esperanza. BUT, she is most definitely marketable. And in case you haven't noticed. There are a whole lot of ladies playing bass and singing than ever... That are getting recognized. BUT, that market category has been filled already. Is she a good "all rounder?" According to your criteria? I Think not... But I'd recognize her brand anywhere. I'd recognize "Eddie the 'ed" of Maiden anywhere.
So, for me. I can't knock anybody for making music and finding a niche that pays. Heck, wouldn't you rather have a nice income from music while working on being a good "all rounder?"
IMO, too much knowledge can ruin some players and dilute their concepts if they have something so singular it boggles imagination for the time (Hendrix, Van Halen, Jaco).
Take the stuff and find your path in it. We may not universally like or accept it, but that doesn't matter to you... Or does it?
As long as you're a recognized "all rounder," who cares if you're unknown... or broke, or hustling for gigs? Hmm... I'm going to hire the cat that has a facet, or possibly, a few facets of what is needed to make the band strong.J.P.J. said "You don't have to be a great bassist. Just a good one in a great band."
Oh, by the way... I know some great "all (you know whatses!
) and most of them were respected by their peers... but they are all struggling or dead from lack of mass acknowledgement of being (wait for it..)"All rounders..."
When making a house payment, buying diapers, or filling up the tank... talent and ability don't account for much in the real cruel music biz. Watch "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Everyone one of them is an "_ _______."
Just my two quid
Cheers,
D.
I used to think along your line of thinking, but then I got to meet a lot of notable musicians. Some famous... some infamous. Very few of them were good all around musicians. They were stylists. In the days when there was a studio scene, I believe your view was more applicable. But, those folks didn't make the same bucks that the pop, rock guys were making. Jack Bruce was NOT a great "all rounder." Entwistle either... Nor is Sheehan or the only Billionaire musician alive... McCartney. Nope... They found aspects and they expounded on those particular facets of interest.
Let me clue you in on a little secret I discuss a lot about A&R peeps.
If an A&R person sees you play various styles in a club, and they are thinking of signing you. You'll most likely be thinking, "I'm showing versatility and my ability to play/sing different styles of music. I'm capable of doing anything reasonably well. How can they not sign me?"
The mind of an A&R person is a different beast. They'll actually be thinking...
"I don't understand. I thought you were... (a singer, a songwriter of ONE particular genre, you have scared me)"
They don't have the capacity for abstract thinking usually. They can't pigeonhole you. i.e. slot you into a market.
I know many people that don't care for Esperanza. BUT, she is most definitely marketable. And in case you haven't noticed. There are a whole lot of ladies playing bass and singing than ever... That are getting recognized. BUT, that market category has been filled already. Is she a good "all rounder?" According to your criteria? I Think not... But I'd recognize her brand anywhere. I'd recognize "Eddie the 'ed" of Maiden anywhere.
So, for me. I can't knock anybody for making music and finding a niche that pays. Heck, wouldn't you rather have a nice income from music while working on being a good "all rounder?"
IMO, too much knowledge can ruin some players and dilute their concepts if they have something so singular it boggles imagination for the time (Hendrix, Van Halen, Jaco).
Take the stuff and find your path in it. We may not universally like or accept it, but that doesn't matter to you... Or does it?
J.P.J. said "You don't have to be a great bassist. Just a good one in a great band."
Oh, by the way... I know some great "all (you know whatses!
"All rounders..."
When making a house payment, buying diapers, or filling up the tank... talent and ability don't account for much in the real cruel music biz. Watch "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." Everyone one of them is an "_ _______."
Just my two quid
Cheers,
D.
So... you think SH is a great bass player? Lol. I understand your point. I “got over” rating/ranking musicians a long time ago. I just enjoy listening to the finished product. Thank God for music!!!
It is a finger called the "pollex", though all of the fingers are made up of phalanx bones, hence the term "phalanges". You can see the same level of specificity in the foot, with phalanx bones comprising all the bones distal to the tarsals; also the great toe called the "hallux".
See: Medical Terminology and Anatomy for Coding, 3rd Edition. (Shiland)
Sorry, I had to.
Say a prayer for me, I'm studying for my CPC exam!Attachments
drool!!!!!!
Hi Yonni
AFAIK Bruce is the guy with the beers!
That said, I would love to have two "Eddie crates" under my cab (for biker bar gigs)
greetings
Wise
Hi DrayMiles, don' t take me wrong please!
But you must be kidding! Or maybe you know another Jack Bruce than the one I knew?
Jack was a pro!!!!! playing bigband dance music with the age of 15!
He started playing cello and won!!!! a scholarship to the Royal Scottish Academy of Music.
He studied cello, piano as second instrument and composition.
He played jazz...
I am too lazy to write down the whole story!
Watch and learn!
(don' t touch my hero )may the bass be with you
Wise(b)ass
It is a finger called the "pollex", though all of the fingers are made up of phalanx bones, hence the term "phalanges". You can see the same level of specificity in the foot, with phalanx bones comprising all the bones distal to the tarsals; also the great toe called the "hallux".
See: Medical Terminology and Anatomy for Coding, 3rd Edition. (Shiland)
Sorry, I had to.
Lol. I stand corrected! Good luck on the CPC exam. Prayers on the way!
Hi DrayMiles, don' t take me wrong please!
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But you must be kidding! Or maybe you know another Jack Bruce than the one I knew?
Jack was a pro!!!!! playing bigband dance music with the age of 15!
He started playing cello and won!!!! a scholarship to the Royal Scottish Academy of Music.
He studied cello, piano as second instrument and composition.
He played jazz...
I am too lazy to write down the whole story!
Watch and learn!
may the bass be with you
Wise(b)ass
I've been in the studio with Jack where I played bass and he sang. I did ALL of Pete Brown's session's from 1995 to 2010.
I've fired and hired Malcolm for multiple sessions. And I first met Jack when Jonas passed in his hometown of Sudbury.
Jack was not a thumper, or hard bopper, for example... Jack was a stylist...
BUT,
Jack was aware of his strengths and weaknesses, despite any sycophants in the room. I saw that for myself. Clapton wasn't God IMO, nor was Jack...
But, as a person/musician I liked Jack.... A lot. Jack was ornery, but he was truly a great musician... IMO. But, when Cream took off, IMO... He no longer needed to be a (pardon the pun ) "a Jack of all trades." With success, he did what he wanted to do, and that is the premise of what I mean.
Let me give you a story for your amusement...
I was at a Scottish ceilidh (pronounced 'Kaylee') with Jack, Pete Brown and a select few. I was talking to Jack,
and he said to me, "This reminds me of being in Glasgow. I just want to go up to someone and give them the Glasgow kiss!"
Look up what THAT is!
He was funny...
And he didn't need to be anything BUT... Jack Bruce.
Ya dig?
P.S. I know all of the stuff mentioned already about Jack's history... And a few other tidbits I'll keep to myself! My statement will remain unedited! But I feel ya!
I've fired and hired Malcolm for multiple sessions. And I first met Jack when Jonas passed in his hometown of Sudbury.
Jack was not a thumper, or hard bopper, for example... Jack was a stylist...
BUT,
Jack was aware of his strengths and weaknesses, despite any sycophants in the room. I saw that for myself. Clapton wasn't God IMO, nor was Jack...
But, as a person/musician I liked Jack.... A lot. Jack was ornery, but he was truly a great musician... IMO. But, when Cream took off, IMO... He no longer needed to be a (pardon the pun
) "a Jack of all trades." With success, he did what he wanted to do, and that is the premise of what I mean.Let me give you a story for your amusement...
I was at a Scottish ceilidh (pronounced 'Kaylee') with Jack, Pete Brown and a select few. I was talking to Jack,
and he said to me, "This reminds me of being in Glasgow. I just want to go up to someone and give them the Glasgow kiss!"
Look up what THAT is!
He was funny...
And he didn't need to be anything BUT... Jack Bruce.
Ya dig?
P.S. I know all of the stuff mentioned already about Jack's history... And a few other tidbits I'll keep to myself! My statement will remain unedited! But I feel ya!
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No, I think Harris is a great fantastic incredible perfect bassist... for Iron Maiden.
Not so good for Flim and the BB's for example... Or Miles for that matter.
I refuse to read this thread.
Steve Harris deserves all the credit in the world. He is mostly responsible for making Iron Maiden one of the most successful and brilliant bands in the world.
Sure Iron Maiden wasn't great without Bruce and wouldn't be the same without Adrian, Dave or Nicko. But, it wouldn't be Iron Maiden without Steve.
If you don't get it that's ok. But, you should get it.
Steve Harris deserves all the credit in the world. He is mostly responsible for making Iron Maiden one of the most successful and brilliant bands in the world.
Sure Iron Maiden wasn't great without Bruce and wouldn't be the same without Adrian, Dave or Nicko. But, it wouldn't be Iron Maiden without Steve.
If you don't get it that's ok. But, you should get it.
Just a quibble, all the best to you and thanks for the prayers. I am not religious, but I know I need them.
Hi DrayMiles
There is no hugs Emoji
!!!!I met Jack in Germany, he lived close to my hometown.
Yes man!!!!!!!!But your post was "Jack was a one trick pony" to me
And he wasn' t!!!!!
hugs!
Wise
Yeah, him and Dick Heckstall Smith, Pete Brown and Clem Clempson always seemed to be in Hamburg working with the Hamburg Blues Band. I used to be there with them a lot too. Also, we were in the studio that was owned by Can all of the time.Hi DrayMiles
There is no hugs Emoji
I met Jack in Germany, he lived close to my hometown.
But your post was "Jack was a one trick pony" to me
And he wasn' t!!!!!
hugs!
Wise
I figured he would be in Germany a lot. After all, his wife/manager was German.
And he was definitely NOT a one trick pony, but he was "More Jack than God."
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But if you took the time to read this thread you’d see that I made the effort and I’m beginning to
I thought there was a shot of Steve with Trouper Ale posters behind himdrool!!!!!!
Hi Yonni
AFAIK Bruce is the guy with the beers!
That said, I would love to have two "Eddie crates" under my cab (for biker bar gigs)
greetings
Wise
I think you’re right but back on page one there is a pic of Steve with a Robinson’s Trooper Ale poster behind him. Anyway it’s drunk already and I think I’ll be buying more.drool!!!!!!
Hi Yonni
AFAIK Bruce is the guy with the beers!
Hi Yonni
is it good?
that' s all I have to know! droolbtw: I did not tell you my Steve Harris story! It has nothing to do with soccers!!!
When I started to play the bass, I was into "New Wave of British Metal"
Steve rules! Wrathchild!!!
This was not a blues played harder (Led Zep, Deep Purple) , or some "learn 3 chords" punk!
vomitIt was
and it was new!!!Wise
