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When I got my first guitar as a teenager, I used to run a Crate G10 practice amp as a preamp into the front of an old 10 watt tube PA amp. It sounded amazing for the 80's high gain sound. Sounded good clean too. The only problem was there was no good "on the verge of breakup" sound.

Was it the G10C, the tiny chorus amp with two 6.5" speakers? The acoustic guitar-playing frontman in a band I was in had one of those, and for awhile we used it for his acoustic guitar! He had this beat-up Alvarez with an internal mic in it, and it didn't sound "nice," but when we fed it into a compressor pedal and that little Crate cranked way up on its clean channel, it was kind of cool...sort of like hearing a manic street-corner busker playing an acoustic through a police bullhorn. Not pretty, but it was a useful rhythmic sound and texture in the band mix. Eventually he bought a real acoustic guitar amp and the acoustic guitar got "nicer," but also kind of...boring.
 
Not 80's or earlier... but Dimebag Darrell from Pantera and Kirk from Crowbar used Randall guitar amps. Dime switched to tubes later in his career but all of his notable work was solid state.
The attack and immediacy of heavy palm muting is pretty much unparalleled.
Also worth noting that a huge chunk of Cannibal Corpse albums in the 80s'/90's were done with a Crate GX series.

My guitar rig for recording/live consists of a pair of 80's Crate heads that, when pushed with a distortion pedal on the front end, actually sound fantastic. Just a touch of sonic maximizer in the front end lets it chunk without being flabby, and a 30 band EQ in the loop lets you dial that fizz out.
Its pretty funny that every show we play, I get snickers from dudes as I roll in some old Crates... but the payoff comes during soundcheck when they realize that these heads slay.
One of the high points was when a friend had his amp break a week before a show that we were both playing so I told him he can just use mine. Really cool getting to hear your own rig from the crowd and then hear it in the mix when they were playing their set. Even more fun was hearing that my old, cheap Crate sat better in the mix and sounded better than the other guitarists $3500 Mesa halfstack.
The biggest mistake crate ever made was not touting their solid state angle enough and not letting people know that these heads were best used in a rig with other gear. Everybody I know that rags on crate is of the "plug in a marshall and turn it up" variety. and they arent wrong... those marshalls are amazing amps... but the crates just dont do that straight out of the box.
Rant over..... solid state metal ftw

FWIW, Kirk and Matt both use Orange CR120 heads in Crowbar, which are solid state with the best onboard gain channel that I have ***ever*** heard in a solid state amp.
 
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Hey! Not 80s, but speaking of solid state, weird tone, acoustic guitars and fitting into band mixes...what about John McCrae, the frontman of Cake? He plays a nylon-string Goya with a piezo pickup into a Fender Sidekick combo. You can hear that scratchy, thin-sounding tone in a lot of their stuff but it's really out front at the beginning of their cover of "I Will Survive" from "Fashion Nugget." I saw them play once and the little Sidekick was sitting next to him on a bar stool with a mic in front of it. Loved it.

 
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Was it the G10C, the tiny chorus amp with two 6.5" speakers?

No, it was this one (well, one like it):

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I plugged a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter into the headphone jack to disable the speaker, and ran the line out into the 10 watt PA amp, which drove an old beat up 212 cabinet of unknown origin. Sounded godly.

Edit: my best friend at the time, who played through a JMP-1 into a Mesa 20/20 into a 1960a was jealous of the way my Crate ghetto rig sounded, though he would never be caught playing through it. Fun times in those days!
 
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Half the '60s West Coast psychedelic and garage rock bands (including Captain Beefheart, early on) used solid-state Vox amps, although the fact that the amps had active tone circuits meant that setting the treble above 50% made the guitars sound screechy, which is probably where that reputation comes from.

I have several Vox solid-state amps from that era, and they're the most versatile guitar amps I've ever owned. On the rare occasions that I've been able to turn one of them up all the way (with the treble set below 50%, of course), the distortion sounded so good that people were convinced that there must be tubes in there.
 
^^ Re: the janky Crate preamp/PA tube amp experiment AND the cranked Vox thing...Cool!

I hope I'm not out of line to post this, as this was recorded in the '98-'00 timeframe and the only people who have heard it are occasional forum people in a thread about solid-state amps. I am but a local Joe Schmoe dad now whose gigging days are--for now, at least--behind me...but here's some solid-state tone that some would call "crappy" that I recorded with a band I used to be in, and which I was pretty pleased with. Band's long-gone, so I hope this won't come off as a vomit-inducing self-promotion. I still have, and use, the Peavey Audition 20 combo I used for these two tunes, though.

(One-pickup Gibson Melody Maker, DOD Bi-Fet Preamp (for solo boost only), DOD Bass Compressor pedal (on all the time), Peavey amp, EV dynamic mic. Amp set to "just past clean," until I hit the solo boost from the pedal.)

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The sort of phasey sound of the guitar in the second songfile came from me having set up another little solid state amp, a Rickenbacker TR-something, to try a dual-amp approach. The Rick just sounded kind of clean and polite next to the barky little Peavey, so I didn't use it...but I forgot to mute its mic, and discovered during mixdown that blending a little of the Rick's mic into the mix gave it sort of a washy, interesting sound. I may have put the reverb on that track and left the Peavey dry, too...not sure. Later I wished I'd just used the one mic, but oh well.
 
a lot of Djenters and modern metal bands use axe fx and fractals

Digital modeling....I use it now. I recently bought a Fractal AX8. It’s worlds above solid state. It is still a challenge to replicate a tube amp, because a tube amp isn’t just a sound wavelength....it’s a preamp, an amp section, and then a speaker cabinet, which all have a huge impact on the sound. The high end modelers digitally simulate each of those components AND then simulate the microphone used to send it to PA....all of these are configurable. The goal is to be able to run an XLR to the PA, directly from the modeler, instead of from the mic in front of the guitar cabinet. They have bass models too. It gets complicated and it can sound horrible if you don’t take the time to tweak everything while going through your PA, at volume. Playing through a good tube rig is almost foolproof.
 
On the first four King's X albums ('88ish-'92ish), guitarist Ty Tabor used a big solid-state rig based around a Lab Series L5 amp. He used the amp's guts as a preamp, driving big PA power amp(s?) and various multiples of 4 x 12 cabinets. When I saw the band in '92, the cabs were Yamaha 4 x 12s, and the Lab Series combo had become a Lab Series chassis custom mounted in a rack. The fifth album, '94's "Dogman," brought with it a switch to Mesa Dual Rectifiers, or maybe Triaxis preamps, and Mesa power amps and cabinets too. Totally different distortion texture. Ty's a cool player either way, but I preferred the midrangier Lab Series-based tone to the spittier Mesa crunch, which it seemed like EVERYONE was using in the mid 90s. Here's a live TV show clip of them playing "It's Love" from the album "Faith Hope Love." These guys are normally some monster harmony singers and here they must have been having monitor issues, because the vocals are kind of sour...but you can hear the Lab Series rig's tone pretty well. He does a chordal outro thing that really displays that unique snarly distortion from 4:14 through the end of the clip. Bonus distorted "Norwegian Wood" snippet in there.



B.B. King has said that he used Lab Series L5s, or if he couldn't get those, Fender Twin Reverbs would do.

I have read that the wild-ass distortion Greg Ginn used in Black Flag came from a cranked solid-state Peavey PA head into some 4 x 12 cab. I've also read that at times Duke Robillard used a PA head as a guitar amp for his bluesy thing.

I have read that a lot of Albert King's playing was through some big Acoustic Control Corp. amp, not sure the model number, but I seem to remember a photo of it having two 15s and a big white plastic horn on the cab.

Here's some more recent guys--Red Fang--who all use late 70s Sunn solid-state heads...bass and guitar both:



I read an interview--somewhere--with Joe Walsh saying that what he actually was playing through on "Hotel California" was a Roland Cube amp--the first series of them, not the modeling ones, obviously--with a couple of pedals in front of it.

Jonny Greenwood from Radiohead used a Fender 85 solid-state combo, with a Marshall Shredmaster pedal in front of it, for the band's earlier stuff like "Pablo Honey."

King’s X and Red Fang? I think we just became best friends
 
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One of the most iconic guitar sound of all times - at least for me - was recorded mostly straight to the board - no tubes involved starting in the mid-/late- 70s:
Nile Rodgers
Chic, Sister Sledge, Madonna, Diana Ross, David Bowie, Duran Duran, Thompson Twins, B-52s, Mick Jagger...
Daft Punk / Pharrell Williams have him on guitar too.

Nile is awesome. Great riffs on legendary songs and he uses that icy clean solid state tone perfectly. That tone exemplifies what solid state does best, in terms of guitar amplification.

As a contrast, check out SRV’s tone on Little Wing or Angus’ tone on Rock and Roll Ain’t Noise Pollution. Listen to how dynamic those tones are. They can change the sound by how light they play and with their guitar volume knob. That offers a whole other level of control and expression with their instrument. You can hear exactly what their fingers are doing. Not icy clean, not solid state. You can argue that SRV bumped his tone with a solid state pedal, but you can’t bump up a solid state amp’s front end like that and get that response. You need tubes to do that.



 
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On the first four King's X albums ('88ish-'92ish), guitarist Ty Tabor used a big solid-state rig based around a Lab Series L5 amp. He used the amp's guts as a preamp, driving big PA power amp(s?) and various multiples of 4 x 12 cabinets. When I saw the band in '92, the cabs were Yamaha 4 x 12s, and the Lab Series combo had become a Lab Series chassis custom mounted in a rack. The fifth album, '94's "Dogman," brought with it a switch to Mesa Dual Rectifiers, or maybe Triaxis preamps, and Mesa power amps and cabinets too. Totally different distortion texture. Ty's a cool player either way, but I preferred the midrangier Lab Series-based tone to the spittier Mesa crunch, which it seemed like EVERYONE was using in the mid 90s. Here's a live TV show clip of them playing "It's Love" from the album "Faith Hope Love." These guys are normally some monster harmony singers and here they must have been having monitor issues, because the vocals are kind of sour...but you can hear the Lab Series rig's tone pretty well. He does a chordal outro thing that really displays that unique snarly distortion from 4:14 through the end of the clip. Bonus distorted "Norwegian Wood" snippet in there.



B.B. King has said that he used Lab Series L5s, or if he couldn't get those, Fender Twin Reverbs would do.

I have read that the wild-ass distortion Greg Ginn used in Black Flag came from a cranked solid-state Peavey PA head into some 4 x 12 cab. I've also read that at times Duke Robillard used a PA head as a guitar amp for his bluesy thing.

I have read that a lot of Albert King's playing was through some big Acoustic Control Corp. amp, not sure the model number, but I seem to remember a photo of it having two 15s and a big white plastic horn on the cab.

Here's some more recent guys--Red Fang--who all use late 70s Sunn solid-state heads...bass and guitar both:



I read an interview--somewhere--with Joe Walsh saying that what he actually was playing through on "Hotel California" was a Roland Cube amp--the first series of them, not the modeling ones, obviously--with a couple of pedals in front of it.

Jonny Greenwood from Radiohead used a Fender 85 solid-state combo, with a Marshall Shredmaster pedal in front of it, for the band's earlier stuff like "Pablo Honey."


Greg Ginn used the old Peavey Standard PA head. Randy Rhoads used a Peavey Standard pre-Ozzy.
 
Nile is awesome. Great riffs on legendary songs and he uses that icy clean solid state tone perfectly. That tone exemplifies what solid state does best, in terms of guitar amplification.

As a contrast, check out SRV’s tone on Little Wing or Angus’ tone on Rock and Roll Ain’t Noise Pollution. Listen to how dynamic those tones are. They can change the sound by how light they play and with their guitar volume knob. That offers a whole other level of control and expression with their instrument. You can hear exactly what their fingers are doing. Not icy clean, not solid state. You can argue that SRV bumped his tone with a solid state pedal, but you can’t bump up a solid state amp’s front end like that and get that response. You need tubes to do that.

With solid state (at least some solid state) you can get some of that effect, but maybe not as wide a range. In my experience it works best with turning up a lower-gain channel loud, rather than using a high-gain channel...but that's true to some extent with tube amps too.

I think some of what's going on is that whether you use tubes or solid-state, cranking up a lower gain channel LOUD gets you some grit from the amp, and maybe a different feel and changing dynamic response as it nears the limit of what the amp's power supply can do in a linear fashion...but it also pushes the speaker, giving more grit and a further compressing effect. You back off, or roll the guitar volume back, or both, and it goes clean. You dig in and whack it, and it barks and feels more compressed. The texture and overtones you hear will likely differ from what a pushed all-tube clean amp would deliver, but sometimes, and for some people, that's okay.

I agree with your SRV and AC/DC examples...those are great examples of hearing a player work the amp by varying input levels. The King's X example I posted earlier is pretty crunchy all the way through, but some of their stuff features really cool clean-to-dirty work using the Lab Series solid state rig. One tune that comes to mind is "Pleiades," from "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska."



Apart from the obvious cleaner/dirtier tones in the verse/chorus, there's a long sort of "chordal breakdown solo" that starts off as sort of an edgy almost-clean at around 2:12, and cycles through the chords every 15-20 seconds. Each time through he rolls up the guitar volume a little more so you hear it get crunchier in discrete steps. It really lets you hear the range of what one channel can do with only picking hand input and guitar volume settings changing its behavior.

Ty Tabor used the dirty channel only on the Lab Series, but having played on of those once, I'd call that dirty channel kind of "medium gain." The range of "clean to dirty" is maybe not as wide as in the examples you mentioned, but there was no Tube Screamer action going on here...just an active-pickup Strat Elite and the higher-gain channel of a L5, slaved through a Crown power amp and 4 x 12 cabs.

EDIT: two other songs where you hear some Ty Tabor Lab Series clean-to-dirty are "We Are Finding Who We Are" from "Faith Hope Love," and "Summerland," from "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska." The unusual solid-state tone is really evident on the latter of the two:





The King's X bassist, Doug Pinnick, used a weird rig too. As I recall it was a rackmount SVT-something with the highs EQed out, combined with various crunchy guitar amps with the lows EQed out...using graphic EQs. Seems one of the times I saw them the guitar amp was a red-knob Fender Showman tube head, and one of the times it might have been some kind of Traynor head. Some of the songs, like "We Are Finding Who We Are," have sparse sections where you can hear dirty, gritty bass highs sustaining and kind of rattling behind the guitar. The effect is interesting but never came across on the albums like it did live. In real life, Pinnick's bass tone was weird but massive and awe-inspiring. Like, internal organs being rearranged. It really seemed like their odd gear choices evolved together and made sense when heard together. I think I drove home from the '92 show I went to, at the Blue Note in Columbia, MO, with my gall bladder in my foot and my colon where my lungs are supposed to be.

One of the things that I thought suffered when Ty made the switch to Zion guitars and Mesa amps for "Dogman" was that the band's sound became more dominated by this big bristling distortion sound, whereas before the guitar and bass oddness seemed more complementary.
 
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