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Source Audio Sourcerers Society (S.A.S.S.) Pt 2

I'm curious as to what they mean by 'scenes'. Does it mean I can have 128 presets for my BEF Pro, or does it mean it can load for example preset 4 on a MWBD Pro and preset 2 on the BEF with the press of one button? I also assume that I will need a midi controller to change presets.
 
oh man!! OH MAN!!! So usb-midi right from the ipad...hmmm. I wish the ubs-camera kit worked with iphone. Either way I'm gonna have some fun with this little gem. I think this may be the key to utilize all 3 axis on the Midi-USB. We'll see. Gadget Lab is sooooo ready!!
 
This reminds me of the tv show LOST. You get a few answers but end up with twice as many questions.

Cool!!!

I am going to take the questions and develop an FAQ to attach to the PDF for future readers. Might take a day or 2, but I will get there.

The key thing to remember is that this product must support 4 generations of SA pedals....including back when the concept of "Multi-function" was madness!
 
I am going to take the questions and develop an FAQ to attach to the PDF for future readers. Might take a day or 2, but I will get there.

The key thing to remember is that this product must support 4 generations of SA pedals....including back when the concept of "Multi-function" was madness!

Here are a few:
1 - What exactly is a Scene? Just a combination of presets (and ON/OFF state) on each pedal connected to the ControlBox or is it more than that?
2 - Will the ControlBox convert MIDI CC to Exp out, or EXP to MIDI CC?
3 - Will it route the same expression pedal to the desired pedals according to the Scene?
4 - When controlling SB2 pedals via MIDI will they be "distinguished" by MIDI Channel?
5 - Will this work also as a USB MIDI interface?

Thank you all the SA team to continue to hear what users want/need and delivering it
 
Yes, thank you SA team for continuing to listen to us and develop exciting and complex products like this. We understand these thing just don't appear by magic and hopefully the input here really has influenced some of the development and future development.

My comment about more questions is actually meant as a compliment to the depth and complexity of this new device. I personally enjoy the mystery, discovery of features and easter eggs, etc. Many hours of fun ahead!!
 
This link will take you to the product description of what was formerly known as the scene saver.

Gadget Junky and Skrogh are going to have lots to ponder!

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Yay! :hyper: This would definitely be what I'd use my money for, if I still had as much time to play, as before I started as an electrical engineer student. :crying:
At least I get to design cool stuff now...

I'm still dabbing with the idea of setting up a bus pirate to sniff the data between the µProcessor and the DSP-processor so I can make my own controller for it and throw my Pro-pedals in a smaller metal enclosure. (Jesse will probably know what I'm talking about)

"slightly smaller than a Hammond box." - which one ;)? Hammond makes a gazillion different box sizes, from "engineers engagement ring box" to ... well space-station-control-panel-size (with wallnut sides, they are quite pretty).
But I'd guess hammond 1590b since the SB2 is ~hammond 1590bb size.

Ohh one more thing - since I spot only one MIDI-output - how about a passive MIDI splitter too? That way people with more than one Pro pedal can connect them all (Or are you phasing the Pros out?)

Err... one last thing - since the Pro series, as far as I recall from conversations with Jesse and poking around inside, don't have bi-directional MIDI, can you save presets from the Pros to the ControlBlox Hub? (that name makes me giggle...)
 
I have tried to respond to the questions below. Hope this is all clear. I am going to add the FAQ to the end of the presentation I put on our site as well.
Q: Will it pass MIDI Clock messages for use with the BEF Pro?
A: If a MIDI clock is fed to the HUB via the MIDI input or the USB input, then it will be passed to the MIDI output.* If the BEF Pro is connected to the MIDI out of the HUB, then it will see the clock. For now, none of the Soundblox 2s will respond to MIDI Clock.* However, we have the option of adding this functionality later.
Q: Does this render the Multi-Function Out port on most Soundblox pedals obsolete (or at least diminish their importance) or do those outputs need to be hooked up in some kind of loop with this device?
A:* No there is no need to loop things back.* The M-F Out will pass MIDI messages down the chain, but it is not possible for the HUB to “see” a SB2 pedal further down the chain.* The M-F out is certainly still helpful for people NOT using the HUB and when using Hot Hand or the Dual Expression pedal.
Q: What exactly is a Scene? Just a combination of presets (and ON/OFF state)
A: When directed, the HUB is capable of detecting SB2 pedals and talking to them.* It can capture and save all of the settings of up to 5 SB2 pedals. It’s essentially a multi-pedal preset that is stored in the Hub.
Q: I'm curious as to what they mean by 'scenes'. Does it mean I can have 128 presets for my BEF Pro, or does it mean it can load for example preset 4 on a MWBD Pro and preset 2 on the BEF with the press of one button? on each pedal connected to the ControlBox or is it more than that?
A:* You can send program change messages to Pro pedals via MIDI.* The limit is currently 6 presets for the Pros.* It’s important to note again, that only Soundblox 2s implement the “scene saving” features.
Q: Will the ControlBox convert MIDI CC to Exp out, or EXP to MIDI CC?:
A:* MIDI CC to expression out is a no since the expression jack is only an input.* EXP to MIDI to CC is possible but not supported yet. Q: Will it route the same expression pedal to the desired pedals according to the Scene?:
A:* If the EXP and or Hot Hand are connected to the HUB, it sends a “Sensor” signal to the Pros/SB1s.* The HUB also converts this to a MIDI message and sends it to the SB2s.* If the SB2s are set to act on an expression pedal or hot hand, then it will use it.* The expression and Hot Hand are always available to the connected SB2s. Q: When controlling SB2 pedals via MIDI will they be "distinguished" by MIDI Channel?
A:* Only if TWO of the exact same type of pedal are being used (e.g. 2 Orbital Modulators).* Otherwise, there is an exclusive CC MIDI map that allows up to 10 potential (only 6 for now) SB2 models to use a single MIDI channel. Q: Will this work also as a USB MIDI interface?
A:* When connected to a computer, it looks like a generic MIDI device.* Currently, MIDI messages sent from a computer to the HUB will be passed on to the connected SB2 pedals.* Messages are not yet echoed on the output, although we could probably do this.* MIDI input on the jack is not sent to the PC for now.
Q: I also assume that I will need a midi controller to change presets.
A: For now, yes.* We certainly see a path to a HUB with an embedded MIDI controller.* This obviously requires more UI/footswitches, etc.* We wanted to make the first version simple and inexpensive. Q: Can you save presets from the Pros to the Hub?
A: No.* The Pros support only MIDI in.* There is no up-stream communication.
 
........... B....... EF.......... Two?

*wide puppy dog eyes*


can......... haz?

It is being worked on by Bob as he wraps up the Bass OFD.
In general we want to keep the same general look and feel as the SB1 and Pro BEF.
Your list of features:
Effects knob - same as the Pro
Yes, LFO is in - sin, square, sawtooth (no SEQ)
Knobs - most of the normal stuff from the BEF Pro inc. Q and output level
Controls - Hot Hand, Expression, MIDI - just like Orby
Special Bonus - 2 types of distortion you can blend in with any filter. One more classic, one more out there.

The control surface diagram is on my White Board at the moment!
 
It is being worked on by Bob as he wraps up the Bass OFD.
In general we want to keep the same general look and feel as the SB1 and Pro BEF.
Your list of features:
Effects knob - same as the Pro
Yes, LFO is in - sin, square, sawtooth (no SEQ)
Knobs - most of the normal stuff from the BEF Pro inc. Q and output level
Controls - Hot Hand, Expression, MIDI - just like Orby
Special Bonus - 2 types of distortion you can blend in with any filter. One more classic, one more out there.

The control surface diagram is on my White Board at the moment!

well i peed a little. GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME.

lol. f'realz. my board has been stable as butts for awhile... just this Source Level 2 sized hole.... SAD LITTLE HOLE.
 
BEF-SB2. Sounds way killer and a must-have for the new bi-directional 'scene' setup. And the built-in distortion is way cool.

My only real request would be to keep the midi CC's for the expression pedal. What I reading is that the SB2 pedals can use 1 expression input from an expression pedal or a hot hand at a time. This is fine for most effects, but I am addicted to sweeping modulation while doing wobbles. To me it adds more movement and depth. So if those expression pedal CC's are still in the code, that should let me still dual-hot hand with the Midi-EXP/HH-USB.

Exciting stuff here, thanks for all the insider info roger
 
Regarding the SB2 BEF...

Will it possible to sync the LFOs to a MIDI Clock like with the BEF Pro? That is a pretty key feature for me (and many others, I'm sure) and I would really love to replace my big ol' BEF Pro...

We have not supported the MIDI clock on the other SB2s yet, but I can't see why we would not do it out of the gate on the SB2BEF.