squier neck stability??

[Marko 1]

Tend to MOVE. I didn't say they tend to warp. I said they tend to MOVE.

Green wood moves. That's not misinformation it's a fact. I don't need statistics to back up a fact like green wood moves.

ANSWER MY QUESTION.
Do you honestly think squier lets their wood dry completly before they put their basses together?????

Of course they do-- all the wood is supposed to be properly dried.

That not being done is the exception, and I'd say a rare occurrence.

And why would you single out Squier? Where did you get this info from?

 

[bassbenj]

I have a Squier affinity P bass, the neck had been more stable than some high end basses I've owned

Same here. My Squier PJ 5er has one of the more stable necks I have. It is way more stable than my Conklin that always needs a truss rod tweak when the weather changes season. But that's just how it is with wood. Just depends on the piece of wood you got. Fender USAs have graphite bars in the neck to make them more stable. And of course you pay for that. My graphite Modulus basses are TOTALLY stable and of course you REALLY pay for that!

 

[gln1955]

Of course they do-- all the wood is supposed to be properly dried.

That not being done is the exception, and I'd say a rare occurrence.

And why would you single out Squier? Where did you get this info from?

Yes complete nonsense. Squires and most mass produced basses are made from kiln-dried wood. It's not a matter of taking time to let the wood dry.

 

[Malak the Mad]

On a related note, I have a question for y'all. Would a maple-on-maple neck with a thick finish be more resistant to the ravages of humidity?

 

[OOD]

Of course they do-- all the wood is supposed to be properly dried.

That not being done is the exception, and I'd say a rare occurrence.

And why would you single out Squier? Where did you get this info from?

i don't doubt they let it dry. They don't let it dry long enough for my standards. It's cool if you think it's dry enough. I don't. Maybe I live in a more humid part of the world than you.

I singled out squier because I replied to "Squier neck stability"

You can call squier and they will tell you how long they let wood dry. They're not trying to trick anyone. They just have a different standard than Fender.

I'm not picking on squier. It's my favorite brand even above Fender.

 

[DwaynieAD]

I have a Squier affinity P bass, the neck had been more stable than some high end basses I've owned

My affinity is more stable than my MM

 

[Batmensch]

I said you MIGHT not NOTICE for ten years. If it's going to warp it will most likely do it slowly over time. Yes it will START warping sooner but if the bass is taken care of it will take a while to actually make playing it uncomfortable. Green wood does what it wants to do. You may be able to slow it down but you can't always stop it.

Green wood doesn't always want to warp. I would assume that necks tend to not warp when they have even tension applied to them (strings). But either way, wood that has not had around ten years of drying will want to move. It is in wood's nature to move when it's wet.

Do you honestly think squier lets their wood dry completly before they put their basses together??? (Maybe the CV basses A BIG MAYBE)

I'm not saying it will happen to every squier because it won't. It will happen to the unlucky basses that have wood that wants to twist.

It probably happens to few people, although it has happend to me. Even though it has happend to me, I still think it is worth the risk because it might not happen at all.

I love squiers. I'll probably buy at least ten more if I live long enough, but the necks are green. I'm okay with that it doesn't make 'em bad basses.

In other words, you don't really know and are just guessing. Unless you have some facts to back it up, your assertion that they use green improperly dried wood is totally baseless.

 

[OOD]

Yes complete nonsense. Squires and most mass produced basses are made from kiln-dried wood. It's not a matter of taking time to let the wood dry.

Yes complete nonsense. Squires and most mass produced basses are made from kiln-dried wood. It's not a matter of taking time to let the wood dry.

Squier might do that I've never asked. But if you research the process you will learn that it is an inconsistent attempt to dry wood. It works but each batch will be slightly different. Unless QC is on point
(doubtful) Probably not enough to matter with most batches. So if it's not done correctly the wood will come out too green. I may have experienced the spawn of lazy employes but I can promise you I have experienced green squier necks.

 

[OOD]

In other words, you don't really know and are just guessing. Unless you have some facts to back it up, your assertion that they use green improperly dried wood is totally baseless.

In other words, even if wood is green it doesn't mean it will warp.

If talkbass was nothing but facts without experience, it would be full of useless information. If seen "facts" disproved because of things I've experienced. Their are always exceptions to what we tend to believe are fact.

I take the facts I know in combination with the experience I've had to come up with a conclusion.

Humans make me sick. They think they know everything.

 

[Fat Steve]

Humans make me sick. They think they know everything.

[citation needed]

 

[96tbird]

It depends in the tree they came out of.

 

[shawshank72]

Just put a set of 55/70/90/110 tuned to E standard on my modified affinity and no issues at all.
My CV had 55/70/90/105 and that's fine also.

 

[Yahboy]

My CV 60p slim neck is truly stable than my previous fender mim standard jazz neck.

 

[AlexanderB]

I have (had) some Squiers:
1982/83 JV Precision, one piece maple: solid as a rock. Great instrument.
1987-ish E-series Jazz, maple/rosewood, bought online: big ski jump, unplayable. Got an identical replacement neck from seller. Also with a ski jump, but playable.
2012 Jack Johnston (basically a CV Jazz): well crafted, very straight and precise. However, the neck was definitely less rigid and strong than a regular Am. Std. Jazz. I have seen this in general on the CV Jazzes and I suspect the slightly thinner front-to-back measurement contributes to this, just like on the Fender Geddy Lee. All CV Jazzes I have tried have very pronounced dead spots around C on the G string and also affecting the timbre of C on the A string, third position.

 

[mellowinman]

Yes complete nonsense. Squires and most mass produced basses are made from kiln-dried wood. It's not a matter of taking time to let the wood dry.

i don't doubt they let it dry. They don't let it dry long enough for my standards. It's cool if you think it's dry enough. I don't. Maybe I live in a more humid part of the world than you.

I singled out squier because I replied to "Squier neck stability"

You can call squier and they will tell you how long they let wood dry. They're not trying to trick anyone. They just have a different standard than Fender.

I'm not picking on squier. It's my favorite brand even above Fender.

Oh come on. They don't let it dry enough? Kiln dried is kiln dried! Squier guitars have been manufactured in Japan, Korea, Mexico, India, Indonesia, China and the United States. And I'm pretty sure all the necks are Maple. How long do they let the wood dry? However long it takes to remove the desired amount of moisture!

There is little to no chance any manufacturer is making "green" necks.

 

[OOD]

Oh come on. They don't let it dry enough? Kiln dried is kiln dried! Squier guitars have been manufactured in Japan, Korea, Mexico, India, Indonesia, China and the United States. And I'm pretty sure all the necks are Maple. How long do they let the wood dry? However long it takes to remove the desired amount of moisture!

There is little to no chance any manufacturer is making "green" necks.

If that's what you think, don't worry about it.

 

[bolophonic]

Most squiers have green necks and tend to move more than aged wood. That doesn't mean the neck will warp and if it does it might be ten years be for you notice it. It's probably about a 200-300 dollar repair.

It's worth the risk of you ask me. Especially since a $1000 bass could do the same thing.

No, this is total nonsense, misinformation, doo-doo... Whatever you want to call it. The idea is that Squiers are so poorly slapped together that they don't even allow time for the wood to dry before they start cutting? Just stop it.

 

[gln1955]

Squier might do that I've never asked. But if you research the process you will learn that it is an inconsistent attempt to dry wood. It works but each batch will be slightly different.
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Just not true. Kiln drying is a very controlled process based on scientific principles and decades of experience. It is arguably more consistent than air drying.

 

[Chasbo]

I toured last winter in various parts of the US stemming from Northern Michigan to New Orleans. Various climate changes. VM 5 string (2014) and VM Jazz 4 string (2013) Both instruments were issue free throughout the rigors of the road. I am a true fan of Squire VM Jazz and CV Jazz Bass. Buy one. You will be glad you did.

 

[mellowinman]

Squier might do that I've never asked. But if you research the process you will learn that it is an inconsistent attempt to dry wood. It works but each batch will be slightly different. Unless QC is on point
(doubtful) Probably not enough to matter with most batches. So if it's not done correctly the wood will come out too green. I may have experienced the spawn of lazy employes but I can promise you I have experienced green squier necks.

Pics or it didn't happen.