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Starting a Prog Rock Band

There's an album called A Spark in the Aether by The Tangent that is pretty much all about prog rock and how it has been underappreciated and disparaged as conceited and unapproachable. A very good album, as are the rest of Andy Tillson's (under The Tangent name). They are joyfully low budget but full of creativity and inspired songwriting, excellent guest musicians and tons of shoutouts to the the old classics.

ROFL at the Wakeman capes
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He looks like Sarumon from the Lord of the Rings movies. I get the criticism, I do, but Wakeman is/was a musician of the highest caliber. Also, drugs. Look at Slipknot. :D
I'll be sure to check that album out! And while I was poking at Wakeman in good fun he was indeed a musician of the highest caliber! He'll always be number 1 in my book for best capes! :D
 
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@BlueAliceOasis A double-neck is mandatory. I would KILL for a Ric 4080 but seeing as they never come up for sale and when they do they are insanely expensive, I could make my own Jazz Bass/12 string Strat Double-Neck from Warmoth for around $1,500 (painted, pickups, and all.) Thoughts? I'd also have my Ric 4003 onstage for the "Prog Rock Purists." ;)
May be mandatory for you, but it's unecessary for me.
 
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Although Surf and Prog Rock pretty much exist at opposite ends of the spectrum, they both have fan bases that are small and hardcore. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, either.
While its a lot of fun rocking the house playing something popular, whether it's Classic Rock, Blues, Country or whatever, to me, it's especially rewarding to give an audience a live show that most other musicians wouldn't want to bother with.
Just ask the Dixie Dregs.
(Yeah, I know, they were considered more Fusion than Prog, but you know what I mean.)
 
Some thoughts in no particular order:

To make it work, the best advice I can give is to bring back the genre - but this time around skip all the excesses and self-indulgences that did a number on prog back in the day. Focus on the music first, last and always - and especially the melodies. Make sure what you're playing are songs as opposed to extended scale exercises or regurgitations of classic music snippets on guitar and synth. Good songs develop a theme or idea and have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Make sure all yours do. And when in doubt, simplify.

Pay attention to your image. Prog is about pretty. So don't be afraid to look good. Always put in your best appearance. But don't get too bogged down with costuming. I'd skip the capes unless you're sorta poking a little fun at the old days. It looked pretentious and childish back then. It probably won't fly at all today. Someplace between white silk and capes and Geddy Lee's way of dressing down, there's a happy medium for stage dress. Find yours. Even somebody as talented as Peter Gabriel overdid the costuming and stage antics early in his career with the original Genesis lineup. Don't make that mistake unless you're talented enough (like he is) to get out from under the silly and pompous image he created for himself early on.

Don't be afraid to be a little intellectual, romantic, and starry-eyed. Prog generally paints a picture of a better more interesting mental and spiritual world. That's one of its chief attractions IMO. So don't be afraid of grown up words in your lyrics, good sentiments in your message, and having a message. The Moody's open every show with the song Lovely to See You Again and wrap it up with John Lodge thanking everyone for joining them on this journey. Four generations later, that message is still winning hearts. And for good reason.

Keep your costs under control. You don't need a lot of equipment to pull it off these days. So don't go overboard with keyboards etc. Take a tip from the likes of Tull and Al Stewart. If the songs are strong enough, they're not going to be dependent on a ton of gadgetry to sound good or be interesting. And a stage that looks like the showroom floor at NAMM doesn't impress audiences like it used to. People are very used to seeing and using technology these days. It no longer has the WOW factor it once did. So make it far less visible than the old guard felt compelled to.

Good prog isn't usually that easy to play if you're new to it. Make sure whatever you do play is capable of being played by every member in the band. A muff in jazz gets a few frowns from the audience. A miss in blues is just mojo and "the humanity" - and it's usually appreciated (or at least excused) by the blues crowd. But a flubbed moment in a prog song is a disaster. So take care and make sure you're note perfect every time.

By all means compose and perform originals. There's enough tribute bands and stage shows already. And a lot of them are really good at doing carbon copies of their favorite bands. If you just want to do other people's music, it'd probably make more sense for you to try to hooking up with one of those shows or bands. Or do your own tribute band if none are local. At least you'll make a little money and probably get to gig out far more often that way.

As far as gigging out goes, my prog band days were in the genre's heyday back in the '70s. It was the emerging style when I was in it, so the rails were already greased for me. Doing it today is going to be a lot tougher. About the best I can suggest is that you create and play really good prog music, and stick together long enough for it to start happening. Most people don't realize how long it takes to become sufficiently familiar that people are willing to let you entertain them. That's called "getting the permission of the marketplace." In my experience, it takes on the average of three years before it happens.

DOn't know if any of this is beneficial. But thats about what I've got for the moment.
I'd really like to comment back but I'm in pure bliss at your wonderful comment. I can't thank you enough for your kind and helpful words and encouragement. You definitely win the award for most helpful comment of the night!
 
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Although Surf and Prog Rock pretty much exist at opposite ends of the spectrum, they both have fan bases that are small and hardcore. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, either.
While its a lot of fun rocking the house playing something popular, whether it's Classic Rock, Blues, Country or whatever, to me, it's especially rewarding to give an audience a live show that most other musicians wouldn't want to bother with.
Just ask the Dixie Dregs.
(Yeah, I know, they were considered more Fusion than Prog, but you know what I mean.)
I agree fully. We Prog and you Surf guys are like long lost brothers. If my Prog band ever gets up-and-going I will make it so that we play a show together! :D
 
Would this lineup work in Prog Metal?
-Lead Singer
-Lead and Rhythm Guitars
-Bass
-Drums
-Turntables/Sampler/Synth
Are you hijacking my thread?


Kidding man.

I think that would be an awesome line-up. Turn-tables are a must! Turn-tables are to Prog Metal what Capes are to Prog Rock! :D

To further reinstate capes: Rick Wakeman, ladies and gentlemen.
RickWakeman.jpg
 
Are you hijacking my thread?


Kidding man.

I think that would be an awesome line-up. Turn-tables are a must! Turn-tables are to Prog Metal what Capes are to Prog Rock! :D

To further reinstate capes: Rick Wakeman, ladies and gentlemen. View attachment 829197
You did say that any Prog talk was allowed, lol

Yeah, but would having the turntablist also do synths and the sampler work?
 
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Keep your costs under control. You don't need a lot of equipment to pull it off these days. So don't go overboard with keyboards etc. Take a tip from the likes of Tull and Al Stewart. If the songs are strong enough, they're not going to be dependent on a ton of gadgetry to sound good or be interesting. And a stage that looks like the showroom floor at NAMM doesn't impress audiences like it used to. People are very used to seeing and using technology these days. It no longer has the WOW factor it once did. [/QUOTE]
To comment on this one small section of your awesome answer, I think a lot of stage room can now be cleared thanks to technology. We now have do-it-all keyboard that are Pianos, Organs, and Synths all-in-one which will eliminate the need for 30+ keyboards on stage. In regards to drums, I know how to spot a good drummer by how small his kit is. :D
 
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One other thing. There's a video up on YouTube that will probably be pulled shortly that features Loreena McKennitt, one of the true independent musicians out there and completely self made. She's her own woman, a superb musician and music scholar, and one of the more interesting people in music to listen to. ANd while she isn't strictly prog (there's really no label that fits what she does) there's a lot of rock solid info in this min-documentary entitled Loreena McKennitt: A Moveable Musical Feast to make it well worth the investment of an hour to watch. If nothing else, there's some really great live performances embedded in it. Give it a look (with some good speakers or headphones) before it disappears if you're interested.



FWIW, her music is the closest thing I ever found to the sort of stuff I'm interested in and like to do.
 
About 30 years ago, my mentor turned me onto Camel. (He was spot on when he turned me on to Wishbone Ash, so I figured he would be right about Camel, as well.)
I went to Tower Records, where I bought their live cd, Pressure Points.
If you're not familier with Camel, wow.....
Bassist Colin Bass provides some fretless work that would even make Pino proud.
 
You did say that any Prog talk was allowed, lol

Yeah, but would having the turntablist also do synths and the sampler work?
I know, I know. I was just teasing man! I think so. You wouldn't want (or atleast I wouldn't) turntables on EVERY song. Turntables are kind of like a saxophone. They are GREAT when used sparingly. That way he could play turntables on some songs, samples on some songs, and synths as well!
 
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One other thing. There's a video up on YouTube that will probably be pulled shortly that features Loreena McKennitt, one of the true independent musicians out there and completely self made. She's her own woman, a superb musician and music scholar, and one of the more interesting people in music to listen to. ANd while she isn't strictly prog (there's really no label that fits what she does) there's a lot of rock solid info in this min-documentary entitled Loreena McKennitt: A Moveable Musical Feast to make it well worth the investment of an hour to watch. If nothing else, there's some really great live performances embedded in it. Give it a look (with some good speakers or headphones) before it disappears if you're interested.



FWIW, her music is the closest thing I ever found to the sort of stuff I'm interested in and like to do.

Thanks for this, I'll be sure to watching it asap!
 
About 30 years ago, my mentor turned me onto Camel. (He was spot on when he turned me on to Wishbone Ash, so I figured he would be right about Camel, as well.)
I went to Tower Records, where I bought their live cd, Pressure Points.
If you're not familier with Camel, wow.....
Bassist Colin Bass provides some fretless work that would even make Pino proud.
Camel is indeed awesome! My Prog Rock love is pretty deep, I just mentioned the "Big Prog Bands" to keep the Negative-Nancys happy. ;)
 
I know, I know. I was just teasing man! I think so. You wouldn't want (or atleast I wouldn't) turntables on EVERY song. Turntables are kind of like a saxophone. They are GREAT when used sparingly. That way he could play turntables on some songs, samples on some songs, and synths as well!
Also, what basses are you using? I would imagine the best bass for prog would be something that has pickups at both the bridge and neck position, single-coil or humbucker?
 
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Also, what basses are you using? I would imagine the best bass for prog would be something that has pickups at both the bridge and neck position, single-coil or humbucker?
THE Prog Bass is a Rickenbacker. While I have absolutely no problem following that tradition (because I LOVE my Ric) I also have no problem breaking out my Fender Jazz (Greg Lake from ELP used a Fender Jazz). It is Progressive Rock after-all. ;)
 
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THE Prog Bass is a Rickenbacker. While I have absolutely no problem following that tradition (because I LOVE my Ric) I also have no problem breaking out my Fender Jazz (Greg Lake from ELP used a Fender Jazz). It is Progressive Rock after-all. ;)
Well I would say that's just coincidence 1, 2, most people say Ricks or Jazzes work, 3, I have no money for a Rick whatsoever. Plus plenty of prog players have used more than Jazzes and Rickenbackers. Like Spector, Alembic, Wal, Warwick Thumbs, MM Bongos, etc.

I mean, I plan on doing Prog METAL, so I'd say that it's where things differ. Looks like I'll need a Jazz or bass Jazz-pickups and a T-40 lol
 
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Well I would say that's just coincidence 1, 2, most people say Ricks or Jazzes work, 3, I have no money for a Rick whatsoever. Plus plenty of prog players have used more than Jazzes and Rickenbackers. Like Spector, Alembic, Wal, Warwick Thumbs, MM Bongos, etc.
I would definitely put Alembics up there as well for a "classic" Prog Rock bass. I got a really good deal on my Ric, it was only two months used! I think with Rics it's more the look than anything else. ;)
 
I'm not doing the rock thing though, praise God, I could never imagine affording a Ric, nonetheless an Alembic.
I know, I was just speaking from a Prog Rock standpoint. I think any of those basses you listed would work well for Prog Metal. I know your pain. I have lusted a long time for an Alembic with the sad realization that I won't be able to afford one of those bad boys for a long time.
 

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