strangle my second drummer!?

[La Faro]

I do hope they pass the sticks when they change over in some sort of relay race fashion.

 

[Shalto]

I do hope they pass the sticks when they change over in some sort of relay race fashion.

At the top of the up stroke drummer#1 should release the stick for drummer #2 to grab hold and play the downstroke. Ideally this should be done during a semi quaver fill at high bpm.

 

[La Faro]

Maybe the kits are back to back on a rotating platform. Sticks passed overhead.

 

[Shalto]

Maybe the kits are back to back on a rotating platform. Sticks passed overhead.

I'd pay to see it

 

[bolophonic]

There is a Dave Garibaldi quote out there somewhere where he talks about how he and Prestia don't talk about rushing vs dragging, instead they just work it out by playing. It seemed he came to the conclusion talking doesn't work.

Not being in tower of power I'm only speculating here, but I think I get what he's on about. A bass player and drummer who are team players will compensate for each other and negotiate a good groove between them. Two players with ego will talk to each other saying "you are doing it wrong" rather than giving up on "their" way of doing it. Often before this ego conversation even happens there has been an egotistical play through where neither player would work with each other and it sounded...about how you expect when two folks who are supposed to be cooperating are instead putting their foot down.

Usually both are "wrong" because players are humans not metronomes, but often one is more "wrong".

I have been in a situation where I played a song in church with a pianist that had only recently learned the song and was dragging it (probably because they simply couldn't play it at the right tempo) and so i "pushed". It was the wrong thing to do. It would have sounded better if id simply accepted their limit and compensated. However if i had to play with them week after week and they didnt get up to tempo, i'd have to consider moving on. Probably worth a good chat with d2...in private so no audience to get ego involved.

The ego thing is key. Just a few days ago, a guitarist gently, but firmly called me out for rushing a prominent riff on a recording session. My response: “I believe you.” Then I nailed it on the second take. It’s been years since I argued with anyone over tempo. If someone voices a concern, it gets worked out.

um they switch during sets? one plays percussion and one drums and they switch sometimes

I was a percussionist for years in a big funky ensemble. I was great at it.

However, I was NOT great at all behind the full kit and there is no way that I would have allowed the BL to put me there in place of the guy who was crushing it every single time. This sounds like a major leadership problem to me, on top of whatever ego thing is going on.

 

[micguy]

The point? The drummer will always be the fall guy for speed indescrepencies.

First rock band I ever played in, the drummer was an absolute rock - nothing would move his tempo. The only reason to have him play with a metronome would be to give the metronome a chance to calibrate itself. It was great, unless.....if we got going on the wrong tempo, we were there the whole song - we couldn't adjust at the verse to chorus transition. It eventually taught the rest of us: if you were the person starting the song, be very aware of your tempo.

 

[Bassdirty]

What do the other band members say? Do they agree that "Mr. 2nd Drummer" is the issue?