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String gauge characteristics- Things I never thought to ask

So...
If I were to put lighter gauge strings on my Yamaha, say DR Black Beauties (or Sandberg strings) in a 40-120 or 40-128 gauge, what would I expect to gain/lose in playability, fullness and/or clarity of sound?
TIA

IME playability goes up exponentially.

(I prefer 35-90 or 40-95, with 40-100 being my idea of heavy gauge.)

I think all bassists should go on a string journey. I don't think they would all play strings as light as I do (and I realize some guys play lighter strings than I do), but I bet some would get away from factory string sizes.
 
Strings are very much a personal choice and the best choice of strings will also very much depend on the bass so the only way you'll know for certain is to test them yourself.

Generally I will say this though:

-Lighter gauges may give you better playability but they may also need you to raise the action slightly to avoid fret buzz. Some of the improved playability may get lost there. A good setup is crucial for any type of strings and you bass WILL need a setup if you change to different strings. When set up correctly ANY gauges of strings (within reason) should have excellent playability on a good quality instrument.

-Yamaha TRBX basses are excellent instruments but Sandbergs are generally a step above IMO. Better basses tend to handle lighter tension stings better due to better fretwork (I believe all Sandbergs are PLEK'ed, with the possible exception of the Electra series?). There's no guarantee that lighter gauge strings will be buzz free with the same action on the Yamaha.

-Any tonal differences will vary more between different types of strings than between different gauges of the same strings. There will be slight differences between different gauges of the same strings too but more with the dynamics (attack/sustain) and general "feel" of the strings than frequency content. At least if you only move between nearby gauges. The "feel" can vary a LOT with different gauges though and the best choice will depend on personal taste and playing style.

-I believe Sandberg strings are just re-labelled GHS Super Steels. At least I'm 98% certain this was the case with the set of Sandberg strings I got with my Sandberg. If Sandberg strings are hard to find in your area you might consider trying the Super Steels.
 
I prefer 50 - 105 gages. Or, a solid medium.


Strings are tighter and stiffer. So lower action with less buzz.

To me, they also sound warmer. At least, in the strings I buy.

This has been my experience. I play .050-.105 stainless. (Dean Markley Blue Steels #2676). These are described by the manufacturer as medium gauge, They last for quite a while, can be set up low, and sound round and full on my Precision.
 
I like stiff old flats and high-ish action to get that percussive thump, but after using the heavier Labellas for years (including the Jamersons) I switched to the "lighter" set (which actually are just good 'ol 45-105). I was actually pretty surprised that, in my hands at least, they sound pretty much the same.
 
Sometimes the obvious questions are overlooked. Why I was oblivious to the questions about string gauge I can't tell you. My basses pretty much came with 45-105 or 45-130 strings. I never paid much attention until now.

About a week ago I bought a Sandberg and only after reading the pamphlet that came with the bass did I realize that not only did it have stainless steel strings on it, but 40-128 gauge strings. In another thread I mentioned how similar in specs my Yamaha TRBX605 is to the Sandberg, but just has a different feel and sound. This caused me to ask myself is if perhaps the strings would make the difference between the Sandberg sound and quality of feel? I'm not changing the strings on the Sandberg and $30+ sets of bass strings makes it prohibitive to do a lot, if any testing.

So...
If I were to put lighter gauge strings on my Yamaha, say DR Black Beauties (or Sandberg strings) in a 40-120 or 40-128 gauge, what would I expect to gain/lose in playability, fullness and/or clarity of sound?
TIA
You'll get lower tension and will be more nimble. Too low of tension though, and you start pushing notes out of tune when you fret them.
 
Let me know how it goes with the black beauties. I'm not exactly the biggest coated string guy but I do see these online often and might throw them on something just to see for sure one day.
I've used the Black beauties and found that the coating doesn't affect the tone, but helps with longevity. DR strings sound great coated or uncoated. I currently have the DR Pink Neons on both my 6ers. They seem to sound identical to the Black beauties IMHO. The only reason I have the Pink Neons is because I got 2 sets off Ebay for under $30 for both shipped. They don't look too bad either.
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I have a thing about tension. It comes form being a Physicist who studied the Physics of musical instruments in college (nerd alert). Once you know certain stuff (the more you know...), it's difficult so unlearn, (or shut up about it).

Most string sets are designed by folks who don't really understand the Physics of string tension. Each string on your bass vibrates at a frequency of 4/3rds the frequency of the one below it. For even tension, the string diameters should also follow that progression (but going the opposite way) - take the diameter of you highest string, multiply it by 4/3, and there's what the next string diameter should be. The steps should not be even in terms of the difference between numbers (that's an arithmetic progression), the steps should be even ratios (a geometric progression). 45-65-85-105 is NOT a good set in terms of keeping the tension the same, and a 125 is very out of line with that set - why is your B string floppy? Because it's too small.

I like low tension strings. I've had wrist issues, so part of staying healthy is low tension strings, plus I like the twang they give you. I have two different gauge sets that I typically use. My "heavy" strings are 40-55-70-95-130, Notice that the strings don't follow the 20 thousandths difference - that's what a geometric progression looks like. And yes, a 95 E and a 130 B have the same tension - about 35 pounds each. If you like a 105 E (nothing wrong with that), your B should be a 140 to keep the tensions similar. The tough thing about this is, if you decide to go my route, you can't buy 5 string sets off the rack - you may find a 4 string set and a single B that work together.

The other gauge set that I use (from Kalium) is 37-51-70-94-130. Similar tension in 3 of the strings, but the highest 2 strings are a bit lighter, and twangier. I use Kaliums on my basses that like bright strings.
 
I can’t deal with heavy strings or high action, and after getting spoiled by low tension for a few years, I can’t do high tension either.

I've tried some different strings over the years and I don't know if I'm surprised or not as to how different strings react on different basses. My BTB675 liked NYXL's which weren't so stiff, but I like the stiffer EB Slinkys on that bass better. Better sound. Better feel. LaBella SS and Nickels were my least favorite and didn't stay on long. I think they went in the garbage. My Fender MIM Jazz 5 has had DR Sunbeams, NYXL's, Slinkys EB Cobalt Flats and I keep coming back to the Sunbeams. My Yamaha TRBX605 really is good with DR Pure Blues and EB Cobalt Flats. I keep coming back to the EBCF's just because it has a different tonal palette. I think when I'm in the mood the Black Beauties will go on the Yamaha first. I've made a chart so I can cut the strings to length so they can be tried on all my 5 string basses.

The thing is that I've not yet ventured lighter than the 0.45 G string until getting the Sandberg. I play my other basses in rotation and then get the Sandberg in my hands and think to myself "yeah... that's why I bought this". So now there is this other adventure/journey ahead.
 
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I have a thing about tension. It comes form being a Physicist who studied the Physics of musical instruments in college (nerd alert). Once you know certain stuff (the more you know...), it's difficult so unlearn, (or shut up about it).

Most string sets are designed by folks who don't really understand the Physics of string tension. Each string on your bass vibrates at a frequency of 4/3rds the frequency of the one below it. For even tension, the string diameters should also follow that progression (but going the opposite way) - take the diameter of you highest string, multiply it by 4/3, and there's what the next string diameter should be. The steps should not be even in terms of the difference between numbers (that's an arithmetic progression), the steps should be even ratios (a geometric progression). 45-65-85-105 is NOT a good set in terms of keeping the tension the same, and a 125 is very out of line with that set - why is your B string floppy? Because it's too small.

I like low tension strings. I've had wrist issues, so part of staying healthy is low tension strings, plus I like the twang they give you. I have two different gauge sets that I typically use. My "heavy" strings are 40-55-70-95-130, Notice that the strings don't follow the 20 thousandths difference - that's what a geometric progression looks like. And yes, a 95 E and a 130 B have the same tension - about 35 pounds each. If you like a 105 E (nothing wrong with that), your B should be a 140 to keep the tensions similar. The tough thing about this is, if you decide to go my route, you can't buy 5 string sets off the rack - you may find a 4 string set and a single B that work together.

The other gauge set that I use (from Kalium) is 37-51-70-94-130. Similar tension in 3 of the strings, but the highest 2 strings are a bit lighter, and twangier. I use Kaliums on my basses that like bright strings.
I also gravitate toward balanced tension myself. (As an aside, I'm less concerned with string-to-string timbre consistency.)
I'd like to pick your brain a little, if I may.
Traditional, D-string heavy gauges have been suggested to have originated from the need for the D to sound as loud as the neighbouring A through a flat, single-coil P-bass pickup, with a narrow-radius fretboard. This because, however little the difference in string height, it matters in terms of magnetic field strength. Or something like that.
[It may just be that, whereas double bass high strings have some amount of silk damping (which makes them sound bassy, but also complicates the manufacturing process, which in turn adds time and cost), bass guitar high strings sound twangy on a 34" scale instrument, unless significantly bumped up in gauge.]

The thing is, I have no background in physics (to speak of, at least) and a lot of trouble weighing the relative magnitudes of different parameters that appear to play a part in determining the relative output of a string:

- a fatter string has more magnetically-active mass than a thinner one
(I suppose core and winding have different degrees thereof, though, which may add a non-trivial element of complication)

- however, plucking force being equal, doesn't a looser string move more than a tighter one?
(if so, an additional question: how much is tension proper the more important element? or is the higher flexibility that the thinner string presumably exhibits the more important element?)

- then again, a more massive string should have more momentum than a lighter one. Or something.

So...yeah. Common sense is of limited usefulness in understanding facts of nature, and my own gives me contrasting signals to go by, with the result that I can't quite picture what's going on. Especially the relative weights of the above elements.
Thank you in advance for any insight you may offer.
 
27259194[/URL], member: 253901"]I also gravitate toward balanced tension myself. (As an aside, I'm less concerned with string-to-string timbre consistency.)
I'd like to pick your brain a little, if I may.
Traditional, D-string heavy gauges have been suggested to have originated from the need for the D to sound as loud as the neighbouring A through a flat, single-coil P-bass pickup, with a narrow-radius fretboard. This because, however little the difference in string height, it matters in terms of magnetic field strength. Or something like that.
[It may just be that, whereas double bass high strings have some amount of silk damping (which makes them sound bassy, but also complicates the manufacturing process, which in turn adds time and cost), bass guitar high strings sound twangy on a 34" scale instrument, unless significantly bumped up in gauge.]

The thing is, I have no background in physics (to speak of, at least) and a lot of trouble weighing the relative magnitudes of different parameters that appear to play a part in determining the relative output of a string:

- a fatter string has more magnetically-active mass than a thinner one
(I suppose core and winding have different degrees thereof, though, which may add a non-trivial element of complication)

- however, plucking force being equal, doesn't a looser string move more than a tighter one?
(if so, an additional question: how much is tension proper the more important element? or is the higher flexibility that the thinner string presumably exhibits the more important element?)

- then again, a more massive string should have more momentum than a lighter one. Or something.

So...yeah. Common sense is of limited usefulness in understanding facts of nature, and my own gives me contrasting signals to go by, with the result that I can't quite picture what's going on. Especially the relative weights of the above elements.
Thank you in advance for any insight you may offer.

Bass guitar is an instrument played by humans. No matter what theory you throw at things, certain aspects like this are best judged from the player’s perspective - does the theory help the player produce a better result, or is it getting in the way?

I’ve heard that theory before too, but haven’t found any need to increase the gauge of middle strings to compensate for being further from the pickups. I play 5’s, and with wider fingerboards, the issue (if there was one) should be worse on a 5, and I don ‘t perceive any issue. The tension difference? That’s something I can easily perceive.

As far as I can tell, that’s a made up story to justify continuing to make the same flawed product. I call BS.
 
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Bass guitar is an instrument played by humans. No matter what theory you throw at things, certain aspects like this are best judged from the player’s perspective - does the theory help the player produce a better result, or is it getting in the way?

I’ve heard that theory before too, but haven’t found any need to increase the gauge of middle strings to compensate for being further from the pickups. I play 5’s, and with wider fingerboards, the issue (if there was one) should be worse on a 5, and I don ‘t perceive any issue. The tension difference? That’s something I can easily perceive.

As far as I can tell, that’s a made up story to justify continuing to make the same flawed product. I call BS.
Ta everso!
 
Come on, now, strings are cheap. And they are everything. The thing you interact with. All your skills, ideas and techniques hit the strings.

Time to find FretNation and do some exploring and experimenting. Great folks, and a huge selection, along with discounts, specials, rewards points and free shipping.

Stainless, nickel, rounds, flats, tapes, stiffness, flexibility,….all combined with how and what you play….you absolutely want to spend some bucks finding your strings.

I spent years thinking Stainless Rotosound swing bass was the only choice. Then I got a couple duds in two packs in a row. I thought heavier was better.

Turns out stainless sticks to my fingers and shreds my fingertips. Turns out stiff and heavy isn’t at all my thing. Turns out flats can sound and feel super cool.

Try lots of strings, and figure out how to do your own set ups. It’s a long road, find your best fit.
Awesome suggestion. Thank you for posting this.
 
I've tried some different strings over the years and I don't know if I'm surprised or not as to how different strings react on different basses. My BTB675 liked NYXL's which weren't so stiff, but I like the stiffer EB Slinkys on that bass better. Better sound. Better feel. LaBella SS and Nickels were my least favorite and didn't stay on long. I think they went in the garbage. My Fender MIM Jazz 5 has had DR Sunbeams, NYXL's, Slinkys EB Cobalt Flats and I keep coming back to the Sunbeams. My Yamaha TRBX605 really is good with DR Pure Blues and EB Cobalt Flats. I keep coming back to the EBCF's just because it has a different tonal palette. I think when I'm in the mood the Black Beauties will go on the Yamaha first. I've made a chart so I can cut the strings to length so they can be tried on all my 5 string basses.

The thing is that I've not yet ventured lighter than the 0.45 G string until getting the Sandberg. I play my other basses in rotation and then get the Sandberg in my hands and think to myself "yeah... that's why I bought this". So now there is this other adventure/journey ahead.
I can dig it, Vinnie. Strings are quite personal and some basses work better with different strings. But I tend to keep everything uniform, although I have one outlier that I can’t use my Dunlops on because the E string breaks immediately around those little Sperzel tuners.
 
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