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String tension

Hello all, I have recently been reading a lot of posts about string tension. When restringing I always tune up to what feels like the highest octave I can. If I tune my strings done an octave would that help with string tension. Or is string tension something I really don't need to worry about
 
I'm not understanding what your current issue is. Is your current string tension bothering you or somehow not allowing the maximum potential of your playing to be manifested?
 
I'm not understanding what your current issue is. Is your current string tension bothering you or somehow not allowing the maximum potential of your playing to be manifested?
i have been reading about how high tension can affect the neck. I do not want that to happen. I have Labella flats on it which are said to be high tension. In order to not put to much tension on the neck i am wondering if I tune the strings down an octave will that put less tension on the neck?
 
i have been reading about how high tension can affect the neck. I do not want that to happen. I have Labella flats on it which are said to be high tension. In order to not put to much tension on the neck i am wondering if I tune the strings down an octave will that put less tension on the neck?
Tune to pitch. period. standard EADG

Just play to stretch them out. There's a little break in period.

Unless I'm missing your point.
 
i have been reading about how high tension can affect the neck. I do not want that to happen. I have Labella flats on it which are said to be high tension. In order to not put to much tension on the neck i am wondering if I tune the strings down an octave will that put less tension on the neck?
Well...
Yes, down-tuning the strings an octave will, indeed, put less tension on your bass's neck. The strings might be too floppy to play, but the tension will be very low. Here's the thing;
Unless your bass is a very, very old one; does not have a truss rod (like some very cheap ones); or there's something physically wrong with the bass and/or the neck? The "normal" gauge bass strings (either side of 45-105) will not hurt your bass. Those strings are what it's made to wear - and, in most cases, are what it comes from the factory with.
Yes, some strings have more tension than others. Flat wounds, as a general rule, do have more actual, pounds-of-pull-to-pitch tension than most rounds. But, generally, not a lot more. Certainly not enough to worry about. But yes; some do have a lot more than others. Some have a lot less, too. So...
Just put whatever "normal" gauge strings you want to use - even those La Bella Flats (they aren't the "Jamerson" 1954 Originals, are they?) - on the bass; tune them to the normal pitch for an EADG bass; and play the snot out of them. If you're really worried about the bass's neck? Just check the neck relief every so often; it will let you know if there's a problem in plenty of time to take care of it... :cool:
 
i have been reading about how high tension can affect the neck. I do not want that to happen. I have Labella flats on it which are said to be high tension. In order to not put to much tension on the neck i am wondering if I tune the strings down an octave will that put less tension on the neck?


Next year's thread topic :

"My bass neck has developed a back-bow... "
 
Really the only thing you should worry about is if you're using heavier gage strings or tuning your bass higher than standard, and even then, most necks are fine. I use 50-110 strings on my basses tuned to D standard, 45-105 if tuned to E. I typically prefer higher tension strings, and the only neck issues I've ever had were due to defects in the bass, not tension damage. I'm sure you can find lots of information online about what string gages to use for the tuning you use.
 
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Hello all, I have recently been reading a lot of posts about string tension. When restringing I always tune up to what feels like the highest octave I can. If I tune my strings done an octave would that help with string tension. Or is string tension something I really don't need to worry about
The standard bass guitar tuning - E A D G creates the following frequencies:
41.2 Hz, 55 Hz, 73.4 Hz, and 98 Hz.
The standard E string tuning - 41.2 Hz is lower than human hearing generally reaches so what we hear is harmonic. Our brain fills in the gap. Tuning an octave lower than that would render your bass pretty much useless. The strings would be way too loose and the sound would not be useable.
 
No I have done it before and i tuned them again today, i am just trying to see what the effects would be of tuning down an octave
Im not sure if you are using the term “octave” correctly.
Do you mean tuning down a half-step (aka one fret)?
Or maybe a whole-step (two-frets)?
Or perhaps using a lower than standard pitch, (A at 430hz instead of 440hz)?

Tuning down a whole octave would be the equivalent of 12 frets.

Anyway, the best answer to your question is still probably “no”.
Your bass was designed to withstand the string tension. If the neck is bowing, then you need to adjust the truss rod to compensate. If that doesn’t work use lighter gauge strings.
Changing the pitch to compensate will only lead to you playing everything in the wrong key or out of tune.
 
I'm sure the main points discussed below have already been touched upon upthread, but here goes a summary anyway:
No I have done it before and i tuned them again today, i am just trying to see what the effects would be of tuning down an octave
Tension is halved for every half-octave (tritone) decrease in pitch. That is to say tuning a given string set down a whole octave, on a given instrument, gets you 1/4 of the initial tension.

1) What it does to the neck is, therefore, about the same as leaving only one string on it: heck of a preventative measure, highly overkill. If, after an accurate setup, you have reason to believe your neck can't take the tension of a particular string set, tuning a half-step or a whole step down would make sense, but not an entire octave.
[By the way, which specific La Bella flatwound set do you have on? Bass necks are usually designed to withstand very heavy sets in standard tuning: regardless of make, just be careful with the heaviest flatwound sets around, especially ones with heavy G and D strings = 55 and 75 gauge (respectively) or thereabouts; gauge of the low E is less important than you think.]

2) Steel-core strings have an operating range because of the inherent properties - tensile strength and stiffness - of the steel core itself. Tuned too high, on a given scale length, they break (uhm, let's not go there); tuned too low, they begin to have intonation problems (you run out of range at the bridge for the saddle to be set back for correct compensation), and the pitch gets wobbly with even the lightest plucking force. Which means, for octave-down tuning to happen, you'd need suitably large gauges for it, not normal ones (no matter how stiff and flatwoundy). Believe it or not, "optimal" gauges for contrabass E0 tuning are close to double those you use for standard E1 tuning. Yep, you read me right: about 200 for the E, about 160 for the A, et cetera. They do exist, as made by manufacturers like Kalium Strings and Octave4Plus, but they're few and far between in general. (And still the bridge may need repositioning, holes be drilled larger, and so forth.)

3) Depending on your tone goals, and for more justified reasons than keeping the neck safe, octave-down E tuning - again, with appropriate gauges - might be worth exploring.
Just be aware that:
- normal bass cabinets can't remotely handle that extra octave, unless you have a sharp high-pass filter (HPF - i.e. a bass cutting filter) applied upstream. Many bass heads do have an onboard one, but how well - if there at all - they work would remain to be seen in the specific case. Lacking an adequate filter, you need to get a dedicated HPF pedal (or program a virtual filter in a digital sound processing unit), or you will be blowing speaker cones left and right;
- you know when you play an uninverted C major chord at mid-keyboard on a piano, and then try to play the same voicing to the lowest C on the keyboard? The latter sounds much worse than the former, doesn't it? It's because of a phenomenon called "critical bands", linked to how the basal membrane in the inner ear works (and to how the signal coming from it is processed by the brain). In short, even consonant intervals become too narrow in the lowest register, and are perceived as rough by the listener.
Well, the same thing, to an extent, happens to the individual harmonics of a single note, if said note is lower (which the lowest 5 notes of a contrabass E-tuned bass guitar would be) than the lowest keys of a standard 88-key piano. In other words, notes below A0 have an inherent roughness to them. This does not mean you can't make meaningful music with them - there are extreme metal bands that make them work - but it does mean it won't be "pretty".
 
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