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Strings for a 24.5” scale bass

[Some of what follows has already been touched upon, and is in that case meant as a summary rather than lack of recognition.]

There are essentially two problems with guitar scale bass strings.

1- Gauges, for which there are two approaches
--- increase gauges up to those typically used for the lowest four of standard 5-string basses. In practice, their low B becomes your low E. This gives you normal bass tension. On the other hand, the lowest string(s) will have less clarity and more of a chorusy component in the tone, especially up the neck;
--- use normal gauges, for less tension, and often keeping to the lighter side of the spectrum (say, 40-95 max). This restores clarity but yields a different playing experience, with a lot less tension. It's not just a matter of it meeting one's preference: the plucking hand touch needs to be controlled in order for the strings not to smash on the frets, and also for the pitch envelope upon the attack - which normally goes sharp, then flat, then Goldi - to be reined in.
Most guitar-scale acoustic basses go a step further and use nylon-core strings, which are more flexible and pitch-stable: they still require a light touch not to flop around, though. These are non-magnetic (silver-plated copper winding on a nylon core) and strictly for piezo pickups; however, there are now
- nylon-core flatwounds that work with magnetic pickups thanks to their metal winding
(Galli UXB910C aka Invalid Link Removed, 23" scale version, 26.5" winding length, gauges 60-80-100-130;
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note that the above does NOT apply to the new Aquila Flat Spirals, which are copper flatwound on a synthetic core, and are therefore non-magnetic; also note the aforementioned two approaches both represented here, with one set having fat gauges to compensate for the reduced scale, the other sporting normal gauges), or
- metal-on-metal strings with very thin cores
(Invalid Link Removed, roundwound, and JC106TB, flatwound: gauges 45-105, made for the Tiny Boy electric mini-bass), or
- others with extra-flexible braided/stranded/rope-cores (also Dogal; unfortunately only available in long scale - the Jonas Hellborg signature sets, Invalid Link Removed roundwound and Invalid Link Removed flatwound - and uke-bass scale - UBS162, made for the Big Island electric ukulele bass).

2- Fitment. Past a certain gauge (080 in my experience), strings can break when directly wound upon the tuning post, because the stiffer they are, the less they like sharp bends. The risk is somewhat reduced the more inherently flexible a string is (roundwound, thin core), the larger the tuning post is, and the lesser the tension (ensured by lower gauge, shorter scale or both), but it's there. Ideally, to avoid the above you need at least the low E (and A, if it's fat) to taper between nut and post. However, since guitar-scale basses aren't common (except parlor-size acoustics, as mentioned above, but most of them use nylon-core strings, as also mentioned), there aren't many sets that fit them correctly.
Two that do are the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (roundwound, 65-125; made for the original Fernandes Pie-Zo bass, aka Nomad Bass), and the La Bella MBLS (aka MBSLS on the eBay; made for the Gold Tone MicroBass, flatwound, 49-109, 28" winding).
Alternatives are
--- manually unwinding them to length (better if secured with solder or heat-shrink tubing so that they don't get unwound further);
--- with the thin-gauge approach, as outlined above (a max 095 low E), one could try and maybe get away with having the unmodified string wound at full gauge on to the post;
--- ordering custom-length strings from manufacturing companies that offer such a service: Newtone Strings in the UK, Pyramid in Germany (the only one that makes custom flats and nylon tapewounds, besides rounds). Both ship worldwide;
--- modifying the instrument to accept more standard-length bass strings. In your case, this would entail replacing the trapeze tailpiece with a bass 4-string stopbar positioned at the butt of the body, even at 45° right on the body rounding, next to the strap button: if the new length from there to the E-string tuning post amounted to 32.5, this would allow you to use commonly-available short-scale strings, 32" from ball-end to start of taper. From that point on, you'll be able to decide if you prefer light, heavy or somewhere in between.
Or, you could add string-through-body ferrules, also at an appropriately far position.
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Do you have them? I've been wanting to confirm the winding length of the lowest strings (from ball-end to where they taper) for AGES. My understanding is they're around 31", which is too long for the OP's bass. However, if you have them at hand and can measure them, it would be greatly appreciated! :)

I may still have a set, I'll look.
 
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Do you have them? I've been wanting to confirm the winding length of the lowest strings (from ball-end to where they taper) for AGES. My understanding is they're around 31", which is too long for the OP's bass. However, if you have them at hand and can measure them, it would be greatly appreciated! :)
My set just came in and I can confirm that the .105 starts to taper at about 31". A little bit of full diameter will wrap on the tuners of the bass I'll install them on, but I think they'll be OK.
 
My set just came in and I can confirm that the .105 starts to taper at about 31". A little bit of full diameter will wrap on the tuners of the bass I'll install them on, but I think they'll be OK.
Finally! Thank you! Do the 080 and the 064 also taper, and if so is it also at 31" from the ball or no? Thanks again.

By the way, it would appear as these Ernie Ball nickel-plated steel single strings are the same as those in the set, and available if needed (even though the 105 alone costs more than 1/3 the set) :
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Finally! Thank you! Do the 080 and the 064 also taper, and if so is it also at 31" from the ball or no? Thanks again.

By the way, it would appear as these Ernie Ball nickel-plated steel single strings are the same as those in the set, and available if needed (even though the 105 alone costs more than 1/3 the set) :
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I'll get those measurements shortly when I restring the bass they're going on.

The link for the .105 you shared says it's a 105 in the titles, but the description are parts number are for the .098. The taper is also 33.25". Not sure what the deal is there. Might as well buy the 9 string set and use the other strings for a piccolo bass or give them to your guitar player as spares.
 
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I'll get those measurements shortly when I restring the bass they're going on.

The link for the .105 you shared says it's a 105 in the titles, but the description are parts number are for the .098. The taper is also 33.25". Not sure what the deal is there. Might as well buy the 9 string set and use the other strings for a piccolo bass or give them to your guitar player as spares.
The part number, although not descriptive of the gauge, is confirmed by other sources
Ernie Ball eb-11098! Single EXTRA LONG NICKEL WOUND .105 Guitar Single strings
Ernie Ball Nickel Wound P11098 Single String 105

...including Ernie Ball itself
Corde Singole per Chitarra Elettrica con Avvolgimento in Nickel | Ernie Ball
^ Note how the 100 gauge is, curiously enough, pt. no. 11097 (as opposed to 'P11105'); also note the two versions of the 080, one with 31" taper the other with 33 1/2" taper; and also the two 090, one 33 1/2" and the other with no indication of taper on the sleeve, which is also the case for the 105", for some reason. Still, the 33.5" strings appear to be each explicitly marked as such.

The description on FretNation is incorrect with regards to gauge, then (there is no '.098'), and I suspect also winding length. FWIW, the Lord of the Strings link here spells the winding as being 31".

I agree on the set being a better value (and said as much, obliquely). However, the single string may be of interest to some, as either a replacement, or to mix and match it to others of different gauges than those in the set.

Speaking of which: yes, please, by all means measure the other two (or one, if the 064 turns out to be single-wound and untapered) at your convenience.
 
The package for the end string says taper is at 32.5”. The 64 has no taper as far as I can tell. The .105 fit my bass with a wrap of full diameter string without breaking. All in all, a success. Still want to try a custom set to get better tuning stability.
 
The package for the end string says taper is at 32.5”.
Sorry, did you mean the "A" string by any chance? (I won't bother you further with this, and thanks again.)
The 64 has no taper as far as I can tell.
Gotcha.
The .105 fit my bass with a wrap of full diameter string without breaking. All in all, a success. Still want to try a custom set to get better tuning stability.
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Did you mention the instrument anywhere? (Although I tend to gravitate to the usual, pertinent threads, I might've missed it.)
 
Sorry, did you mean the "A" string by any chance? (I won't bother you further with this, and thanks again.)

Gotcha.

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Did you mention the instrument anywhere? (Although I tend to gravitate to the usual, pertinent threads, I might've missed it.)
Yes, meant A.

The bass is a Glarry GW101. Fun little bass, unique shape, sounds good, got it for $65 new shipped. I bought some Guitar Madness pickups that I've yet to install in it just for funsies. Tuners aren't great, fretwork isn't great, but a serviceable bass if you're willing to do some setup work. I need to get a sanding beam of the appripriate size so I can level the frets. I'm going to try darkening the "open" grain with some wax.

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And the EB strings wound on the tuners. You can just barely that the A string tapers right before the tuner.
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Yes, meant A.

The bass is a Glarry GW101. Fun little bass, unique shape, sounds good, got it for $65 new shipped. I bought some Guitar Madness pickups that I've yet to install in it just for funsies. Tuners aren't great, fretwork isn't great, but a serviceable bass if you're willing to do some setup work. I need to get a sanding beam of the appripriate size so I can level the frets. I'm going to try darkening the "open" grain with some wax.

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And the EB strings wound on the tuners. You can just barely that the A string tapers right before the tuner.
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Varry nice! Always liked the runtie, ever since I first saw the Glen Burton verzh. And a sweet deal to boot!
 
I just put together a 24" scale .120-.100-.080-.065 nickel round set on the Newtone custom guitar string page. Around $20US before shipping. No flats available yet but well broken in nickels work fine for me. I think I'll try a set on the Supro.

I'm considering to get a set for the Glarry GW101 25.5" scale length bass but I'm a little clueless about the "String length from Ball/Loop end to the nut", since I don't have the bass yet, what would be the ideal measure for this to fit well?
 
There has been a great deal written on this subject in the past. If you look at my previous threads on Sub-Short Basses and the Picco Bass, you'll find more history.

Basically, there are two approaches here.
1. If you want to retain same tension and max low end, the "trick" was to apply a 5 string set, using the BEAD strings, to the short scale, tuned to EADG. The challenge was finding the right length strings.
2. If you are ok with light tension and not max low end, regular gauge rounds, cut to length, work.

So, the challenges come with the cutting. Some cutting is fine, other cutting not so fine.
Cutting strings up to about 90 or 100, roundwounds, will usually be just fine. So, when you can accept light tension and rounds, most sets are going to work fine cut.
Flatwounds are a different story. They are usually more brittle and likely to fail with a cut.
In the past, for a little more warmth and smoothness, I have succeed with cutting not so fat DAddario Halfs - 105s I think - without issue.

Hope this helps. I actually have some gas to test drive that little Glarry, too, but, I will refrain. Looks like a fun mod platform, and it's actually a very cool body shape, IMO.

Back when I originally did this stuff with my original Picco Bass design at 25", I had custom sets created by Curt Mangan, who graciously agreed to help me at the time, as long as I was able to buy bulk. Those were essentiall BEAD gauges with the proper lengths. I sold a dozen or so of the Picco Basses back in the day, with lots of dialog here on it somewhere.

If I got back into a 25"ish scale electric, I'd use DAddario Chome Halfs and cut them to size.

These days, I'm playing my latest brain explosion - my C-Bass. :) It's a 3/4 size Glarry cello with a couple of mods, tuned to the C2 range of a cello, but tuned with bass string intervals. So, range of cello, note locations of a bass. Strung with the EADG of jazz guitar flatwounds. Tons of fun. Even generates some real double bass / fretless mwah.
 
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