Stu Hamm.....wow!

[da_witch]

Originally posted by jazzbo
He does have chops, which seems to be the measure of a musician's worth these days. I've met him several times, and I'm certainly not impressed with him as a person.

Don't you think it is a bit rude to talk about artists you have met like this?
They way he is as a person doesn't have to do anything with his chops right?

I have worked with loads and loads of famous and semi famous artists and I always try to make a different between there chops and there personality. It seems a bit inappropriate.

 

[Howard K]

Stu Hamm is a VERY talented bassist, by the way this is my first thread and my first time on this site....
Im trying to learn a Stu Hamm bass solo called "Love Thang" it is wonderful, for all you classic loving bass players if you have Kazaa or any type of downloading material download "Stu Hamm-Bass Solo" you will NOT regret it...trust me...
He is great..and if you do download this then you will hear the solo im learning it is the first song he starts playing..He also made up the song for the TV show "Peanuts", lol...

1) Welcome to talk bass

2) If you like Stu Hamms music, don't download it for free. That music is probably his life and soul, I'm sure he deserves credit for his work, financial or otherwise.
I'm not really having a dig, but just think about it, if you spent N years working on getting your music heard only for people to steal it from you, you'd be pretty gutted right?
Oh and sealing from Kazaa is no differnt to stealing from a shop except that it's easier to get away with. Also, by downloading his music from the net you're reducing his record sales and reducing the chance of his getting another album deal!!
I'm NOT joking!

3) Personally I cant stand Stu Hamms music, all I hear is chops, which really "dont impress me much"...

Don't you think it is a bit rude to talk about artists you have met like this?
They way he is as a person doesn't have to do anything with his chops right?

No you're right. His chops are insignificant compared to him as a person. I certainly dont choose my mates for their chops!!

I'd say it depends entirely on the individuals and the scenrio in question. If jazzbo isn't saying anything he wouldnt say to the guys face then there's nothing wrong with him saying it in a public forum, in my mind.

I have worked with loads and loads of famous and semi famous artists and I always try to make a different between there chops and there personality. It seems a bit inappropriate.

I'm not sure I get your point here. I mean who cares if a guy can play his a$$ off, if he's a total a$$hole?!

 

[Nick Gann]

Originally posted by Howard K
Oh and sealing from Kazaa is no differnt to stealing from a shop except that it's easier to get away with. Also, by downloading his music from the net you're reducing his record sales and reducing the chance of his getting another album deal!!
I'm NOT joking!

Please tell me you're joking!!

 

[cassanova]

Lets ease off Jazzbo, he didnt say anything too harsh about the mans character either.

Personally I dont see anything wrong with saying how you feel about the character of a bassist in question either since we are discussing that bassis.

I like to know a bit about the personality/character of musicians that I like. Because if I find them to be real jerks that actually influances my decicion a bit as to if I wanna help support him by buying their cd's.

Lets also keep our thoughts and beliefs about downloading music out of this thread. Since its way off topic. If you want to comment on that type of thing, please use one of the previously existing RIAA threads in OT/Miscellanious.


Much Love
Mama Cass

 

[Howard K]

Please tell me you're joking!!

Please tell me you're joking!!!!!

If you work as darned hard a I do to get your music out there I dont believe you'd be of that opinion.


cass: I was mearly taking the opportunity to set someone on the straight and narrow! A worthy reason cause to go off topic, IMO, obviously.

Anyway, you're right, off topic. Ended.

 

[jazzbo]

Originally posted by da_witch
Don't you think it is a bit rude to talk about artists you have met like this?

No.

The way he is as a person doesn't have to do anything with his chops right?

No, but it does have a tremendous deal to do with my respect for him as a person, and whether or not I feel like supporting his artistic creations. Of the people I know and sincerely trust, and from my interactions, I would personally be fine not to have anything to do with the man. I would tell that to his face, but unless I was expressing adulation, he probably wouldn't be interested.

It's interesting though, as I may be a bit of a hypocrite. If I really enjoyed his music, I might feel differently. Personally, I just really do not enjoy his playing style. It might be simply because it's such a departure from my inspirations. I've certainly made every attempt at being subjective, and I feel, on the whole, I've been successful in that. I just wonder if I might be more forgiving if I cared for his music. Probably not, a spade's a spade.

I have worked with loads and loads of famous and semi famous artists and I always try to make a different between there chops and there personality.

Chops doesn't always get the gig. Personality, like all industries, goes pretty far into what you do, and how successful of a career you have.

It seems a bit inappropriate.

Okay. But I respectfully disagree. It's obvious you're a fan, and as I've stated before, he's good at what he does, and I might even feel differently if I enjoyed what he did. Probably not, but I leave open that possibility, but the fact remains, I could care less. And if I, a usually very quiet person on these boards in regards to matters of individual personality, would feel the need to actually mention it, in my mind, it's severe enough. And personally, I don't think it vain to state that I feel my tenure, work and post history on these boards affords me a certain respect in my opinions. While they may not always be accurate, they are most certainly well thought-out.

 

[da_witch]

Originally posted by jazzbo


No.



No, but it does have a tremendous deal to do with my respect for him as a person, and whether or not I feel like supporting his artistic creations. Of the people I know and sincerely trust, and from my interactions, I would personally be fine not to have anything to do with the man. I would tell that to his face, but unless I was expressing adulation, he probably wouldn't be interested.

It's interesting though, as I may be a bit of a hypocrite. If I really enjoyed his music, I might feel differently. Personally, I just really do not enjoy his playing style. It might be simply because it's such a departure from my inspirations. I've certainly made every attempt at being subjective, and I feel, on the whole, I've been successful in that. I just wonder if I might be more forgiving if I cared for his music. Probably not, a spade's a spade.



Chops doesn't always get the gig. Personality, like all industries, goes pretty far into what you do, and how successful of a career you have.



Okay. But I respectfully disagree. It's obvious you're a fan, and as I've stated before, he's good at what he does, and I might even feel differently if I enjoyed what he did. Probably not, but I leave open that possibility, but the fact remains, I could care less. And if I, a usually very quiet person on these boards in regards to matters of individual personality, would feel the need to actually mention it, in my mind, it's severe enough. And personally, I don't think it vain to state that I feel my tenure, work and post history on these boards affords me a certain respect in my opinions. While they may not always be accurate, they are most certainly well thought-out.

Okay, to make one thing clear: I didn't mean this to offend anyone etc, I just gave my personal opinion about this.

My comment had nothing to do with me being a fan...wich I am not actually. In my top 10 of bassplayers he is there, but not in the first 5.

I just think you have to be a bit carefull when you vent your personal experiences with a certain musician in the public.I have several reasons for that..
First would be that those artitst surf on the internet too and they can read stuff. Maybe you caught Hamm in a bad mood or whatever, could be, but if you have not told him your thoughts I don't think you should vent it out in the public.
Second of all: the musicbizz is still mostly about chops. You have 2 different musicbizz industry's out there, the Britney industry so to speak and the Muscians industry. The Britney industrie is not about chops, the Muscians industrie (with guys like Hamm, Miller, Bynoe, Wetton, Baron Brown, Henderson etc) is most definatly about chops.For example, Dave Weckl is a great drummer, but a not so nice guy (trying to keep it decent!) as a person. But he is a kick ass drummer who made it in the bizz. Same goes for Stu Hamm right?

When you work in that business you will realise that most of your heroes out there are not what you think they are...because they are useless alcoholics, bastards etc. THAT can truely ruin the way you listen to music. I was a huge Dave Weckle nut, I thought he was a kick ass drummer (wich he still is), but one of my first shows in the Music Management bizz I did was with him...and he was such a wimp. Wich I ofcourse told him, otherwise I wouldn't say it here..

And I really don't think your work here has anything to do with a certain respect in your opinions. And don't get me wrong, I certainly respect what you are doing here a lot and I truely believe you are a nice and honest guy, but still I think that something you say about a person is a subjective personal thing. WIch means it doesn't have to be that you are right ( although I believe you, Hamm is a hard and ...difficult guy so to speak)...

But again, don't get me wrong and it surely wasn't ment as something towards you. I was just wondering if it was appropriate in general...

So forgive me if I have insult you or something else, because that was truely not my intention.

Wendy

PS.
Al is said in MY OPINION so I don't say this all is a fact!

Please don't be angry!

 

[Howard K]

Second of all: the musicbizz is still mostly about chops.

Hmmm, either I'm missing something or you're in a different industry to the one I have experiences of?

I always got gigs by learning and understanding the material quickly and thoroughly, playing what was needed, getting on with everyone and being myself.

Turn on your TV or radio and tell me all those players in signed bands have chops.. cause I just dont hear it!

You have 2 different musicbizz industry's out there, the Britney industry so to speak and the Muscians industry.

Black and White. Rich or Poor. Good or Evil.

The Britney industrie is not about chops, the Muscians industrie (with guys like Hamm, Miller, Bynoe, Wetton, Baron Brown, Henderson etc) is most definatly about chops.

This second industry you're talking about is probably the smallest fraction of an industry known to man! Those are specialised muso's you're taling about, not big household names that pull in loads of cash!
If I asked the ten people sat round me in the office who Stu Hamm was I guarantee they'd start looking on our internal email directory!
In my mind 'muso chops players' just aren't an especially significant part of the insdustry in terms of popularity and reach.

If you wanna divide the industry into two clear sections, I'd say go for 'mass produced pop' and 'real artists' - and still, chops dont play a major there as far as I can tell!

When you work in that business you will realise that most of your heroes out there are not what you think they are...because they are useless alcoholics, bastards etc. THAT can truely ruin the way you listen to music.

This could only ruin one's outlook on music and musicians if one was misguided enough to believe that because someone makes great music they're a great person in the first place.
Personally, I think I grew out of that notion when I was a teenager.

Just as a matter of interst, how do you work in the industry - as a musician or otherwise? I'm intersted

 

[da_witch]

Originally posted by Howard K


Hmmm, either I'm missing something or you're in a different industry to the one I have experiences of?

I always got gigs by learning and understanding the material quickly and thoroughly, playing what was needed, getting on with everyone and being myself.

Turn on your TV or radio and tell me all those players in signed bands have chops.. cause I just dont hear it!



Black and White. Rich or Poor. Good or Evil.



This second industry you're talking about is probably the smallest fraction of an industry known to man! Those are specialised muso's you're taling about, not big household names that pull in loads of cash!
If I asked the ten people sat round me in the office who Stu Hamm was I guarantee they'd start looking on our internal email directory!
In my mind 'muso chops players' just aren't an especially significant part of the insdustry in terms of popularity and reach.

If you wanna divide the industry into two clear sections, I'd say go for 'mass produced pop' and 'real artists' - and still, chops dont play a major there as far as I can tell!



This could only ruin one's outlook on music and musicians if one was misguided enough to believe that because someone makes great music they're a great person in the first place.
Personally, I think I grew out of that notion when I was a teenager.

Just as a matter of interst, how do you work in the industry - as a musician or otherwise? I'm intersted

Damn!
I typed this really long reply and than I was asked to log in again! And than everything was gone!
I will reply to this, but a bit later!

 

[Howard K]

I typed this really long reply and than I was asked to log in again! And than everything was gone!

LOL! Computers eh, great when they work, painful when they don't!

I recorded all my bands new material from rehearsals recentlly on to my PC, deleteing the original mini-discs as I went (I was being "efficient"), then I pressed a wrong button and lost the lot!!!

 

[wulf]

... and minidiscs are their own world of fun - I thought I recorded the gig I did last night accompanying a DJ and Budgie 'One-String'. It wasn't the most stellar evening of bass playing but I'd hoped to trawl through and find a few sections that could be the basis of some compositions. And then, when I checked this morning, I had absolutely nothing except an innocently blank disk

Back (almost) to the thread, if I'm working on a long reply, I'll often use an external text editor (so I can save partway) and then copy and paste in...

Wulf

 

[Howard K]

And then, when I checked this morning, I had absolutely nothing except an innocently blank disk

Ha yeah, I did that last week, I have one of those Sony stereo mics, like I guess you have, recored the entuire rehearsal with the mic plugged in only half way, got a load of tracks the right length, just devoid of sound

 

[da_witch]

Originally posted by Howard K


LOL! Computers eh, great when they work, painful when they don't!

I recorded all my bands new material from rehearsals recentlly on to my PC, deleteing the original mini-discs as I went (I was being "efficient"), then I pressed a wrong button and lost the lot!!!

To answer the question what I am doing in the music bizz:
- Besides the fact that I am a bassplayer I am also a guitarist. But mainly bass.
- I work as a Stagemanager for famous/semifamous bands from all over the world. That goes from Thin Lizzy to Dave Weckl to...etc.
Questions aboutt this, PM me!

 

[Howard K]

- Besides the fact that I am a bassplayer I am also a guitarist. But mainly bass.

Yes, my qustion really was are you a professional bassplayer/ guitarist - or a hobbiest who works in the music industry as well?

 

[da_witch]

Originally posted by Howard K


Yes, my qustion really was are you a professional bassplayer/ guitarist - or a hobbiest who works in the music industry as well?

Well, like said I work in the musicindustry regarding management stuff.
And as a bassplayer.

 

[BassPulsar]

Originally posted by da_witch

For example, Dave Weckl is a great drummer, but a not so nice guy (trying to keep it decent!) as a person

Being a Dave Weckl's fan I was just curious why you say that he is not a nice guy!

Thanks.