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Stuck in a rut due to Drummer

what would you do?


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Aug 9, 2014
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My band was supposed to be recording the E.P. and we got a couple tracks drum and bass only but the drummer was making mistakes and a couple of our songs he can't play well anymore, as if he got worse. So we decided to hold and go to practice mode but he is messing up there too! He claims he can't hear himself and to his credit when we miced him before he was a little better but he doesn't make the parts very interesting and when going over technique our front man plays better than him and hasn't played drums in years!:rollno: Then come to realize his cymbals are angled so his hits are weak and some are way too far away, where he got his knowledge of set up I don't know (I play drums too though a little rusty cause I've dedicated my time to bass for the last two years). He can't practice at home because of his job and he can only do drum pad work at home but still hardly does. Even hooked him up with a drum teacher and instead of going over the songs and learning what he needs they are doing things unrelated to what we need. We asked for half songs and half technique which they still have yet to do and the drummer has been holding us up this whole time. It's reached a head lately because our front man has been through this before and the idea of a three piece is to eliminate problems but that's not the case and he's sick of it. We haven't written anything new besides some riffs because we can't even get our own songs down:banghead:. On top of that our sound man isn't able to make it so we don't know what's going on with that and I'm frustrated because I want to write new things and play but I can't now :sour: and I want to expand our sound and I've put in the time for practice but others aren't :mad:. He can tell us everything about his job (which is weekends) and about tanks or any trivial thing but lacks at drums. I've been told I never shut up about bass but this guy hardly talks about drumming. Thing is that he is my friend but Idk what to do. He is 20 and already bought a 16000 dollar motorcycle, still paying it off, doesn't even have his license yet. :rollno:
 
Doesn't sound too promising. I don't understand how he can no longer play his parts to he presumably wrote.

We don't understand either. Neither does he. He rocked it at the gig but now he can't play his double bass drum parts and they aren't very long either. The front man played the parts how they should be, but then the drummer can't keep the constant. Like he wants to gallop so it's staggered. And he will still miss snares and some cymbal hits, used to break sticks every day but that seemingly changed. Drops his sticks still though and can't seem to get his pedals set up right either. When I played drums I practiced three hours a day and it showed. And on bass it shows too because everyone says I'm great especially for self taught. And I picked up bass at same time the drummer did drums
 
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Move on and find musicians who actually want to be better at their craft!

He says he wants to and is taking all the criticism thrown his way but the way he lived is doing a bunch of stuff for his family but they cause frustration too. I'm not gonna elaborate much cause it's not my life but they basically make him do everything for them now and don't make the best choices (16000 bike for him, 8000 for his sister who doesn't even have her own car yet and recently crashed her mom's car, they went half and half for a trailer for the bikes but now the dad wants a bigger one. And when it's warm out his dad owns land that he makes him clear out. Also has a hard time telling them no when they fail to plan and do things last minute and then they get mad at him.):banghead::meh::rollno:
 
motorcycles are SO GOOD at transporting drums, he's a genius!

ditch him now, you already know this though

shame he is a friend, but better to let him go now.

I love motorbikes, but never owned one. Why? Coz I can't carry my amp,cabs and basses to gigs on it.

These are the sacrifices you make for your music. I drove big boring cars,that could carry bass gear,keyboard gear AND the PA!
 
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We struggled through recording a record with a mediocre drummer. we did all the recording ourselves. When he thought we were done, he quit. I called a friend to do one more song and played drums myself on another. ( I suck at the drums but it was a simple part And unlike old drummer I can play to a click track.)
The drummer we got after him was so much better that we were really kicking ourselves for not erasing all the old drummers songs and starting over.
 
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Yeah I know, but he has a jeep too and I don't and he picks me up. However I have my own transportation now cause I moved closer to rehearsal. Also the drummers dad is a motorcycle Harley guy and the sister is but she's kinda a dope. They all can be and he is already in debt and he thinks it'll be fine but soon he needs a new jeep and then he'll be coerced into buying something else stupid etc. He went thirds with us on a power amp and snake, and he bought a compression unit but that was form him to use anyway. I actually bought a small P.A. and brought it into the band so I did my part already. It's sad I was listening to a song called only the strongest survive and I realized it's been my story so far. I was with the drummer in a high school band and the two guitar players were flakes. One kept saying he was sick to miss practice and the other wasn't very good and was more focused on the shredding and leads and was concerned about girls. Dated the drummers sister and it ended bad so then that caused issues cause practice was at the drummers during the summer. Drummer and I moved onto current band but he didn't do his homework and even with the drum teacher didn't focus on what he needed to. Meanwhile I'm self taught and even moved from drums to bass and still excelled at it, put in the time, got a PA and now the drummer is on the cusp of phasing out:rollno:
 
Our drummer counts in his head....and only follows his count even if It ends up being off and doesn't have feel. When I drummed I played with feel more playing catch with other players and as a bassist that's what I do with drummers which is probably why they like me so much
 
He can't practice at home because of his job and he can only do drum pad work at home but still hardly does. Even hooked him up with a drum teacher...

...the idea of a three piece is to eliminate problems...

We haven't written anything new besides some riffs because we can't even get our own songs down:banghead:.

On top of that our sound man isn't able to make it...

...I've put in the time for practice but others aren't :mad:.

He can tell us everything about his job (which is weekends) and about tanks or any trivial thing but lacks at drums.


I pulled what I think are the major points out of your original post, and spaced them out for ease of viewing.

Everything you need to know about the situation is reflected in those six lines you wrote above.

And, BTW, your band's problem is not simply isolated to the drummer, IMHO. If your personal commitment is not matched by everyone else in the group on a consistent basis, this type of problem will always be there. A group is about as good as its weakest member, maybe a little bit worse.

All the best,

Shane
 
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The guitarist /front man puts in the time but due to the drummer we have barely worked on vocals. Everything has been about the drums and still the front man blows the drummer away even being left handed playing a right handed kit. I think the drummer realizes that it's really reaching a head and if there isn't improvement hell probably be let go. He's better than he was but we are running into the same old problems again and we've been together since August. We should be way ahead than we are now.

Thanks to all of you responding taking the time to help a young bassist :bassist:

Also he always has an excuse for everything and will explain why he messed up but lately we've really gotten on him and explained it's due to lack of practice and doing what needs to be done. The fact that he needs a teacher kinda says it all when we are a metal band. Wanting one is one thing but needing one because you can't learn and do is kinda lame. :meh: It seems like this area just wants to keep everyone in
 
You should tell your drummer that he is not cutting it and you and the third party want to find a different drummer If you value your friendship tell him the truth. If he wants to continue learning on his own then thats on him. You could always hire a session player to record the drums for your EP. In turn your strummer could use that to learn the tunes, if you chose not to part ways. Do you have a replacement ready?
 
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No we dont, this area really doesn't have anyone for metal and the ones that are, already have bands and are older. It very well may come to a halt. I'll find out more tomorrow cause we are meeting again that day. My friend knows a drummer but Idk about his schedule and transportation but he said he's very good. I look into it. We are doing the EP ourselves and the plan is to do the album in a studio if we ever get there. I will check in tomorrow with the news!
 
Doesn't sound too promising. I don't understand how he can no longer play his parts to he presumably wrote.
Life comes first man, as for the bike that's some shet, but your job, your life comes first. if it progresses and gets worse, get rid of him, he's a friend, so try to make him understand it's not personal. You can't have have a crappy drummer, your much more likely to get away with a bad bass player or headman.(but bad bass players make me REALLY SAD, naturally)
 
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At your age (our age really! I'm only a little older) this is a lot of musicians. If I'm in a project I enjoy it and take the good and the bad in stride but my focus is always on mastering my craft. I play in churches and di some sub work but immaturity, a lack of drive to practice, lack of experience and more often than I like skill, all have been part of the band experience for me, especially in heavier rock situations.
Short term it sucks but you aren't doing yourself or the drummer any favors by holding on to him, he's a friend so it helps and hurts as far as drama but its for the best.
Long term hunt down old experienced musicians, you dont have to join a band but just soak up their stories and tricks of the trade, they're the ones with the time put in and have the secret weapons that are tried and true not just trendy.
Good luck with the project we've all been there!
 
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Seems like his priorities or circumstances have changed and music is not at the top of the list right now. Maybe he comes back to music when the other parts of his life gets in order, but if that takes too long I think you may want a new drummer.
 
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