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Sub-Grand (or just over) 5-string Active-Passive P/Js?

Mar 30, 2007
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Basic requirement list:
  • 5-string
  • P neck, J bridge, can be asymmetric but ideally the stock pickups should individually hum-cancel
  • Active EQ, 3-band with semi-parametric mids ideal
  • Passive mode, master tone ideal
  • Ideal price <$1000, will entertain as high as $1300 if all other requirements are well-met and build is solid
I know of only 3 models that meet all requirements:
  1. Ibanez SR655 (IME the SoundGears are a little compact in the neck for my tastes)
  2. Yamaha BB735 (Body styling is not quite floating my boat)
  3. Sire P7 (Probably the best option, a bit hard to find Stateside except direct through Sire at full MSRP)
I'm looking for more options, pretty much nothing is off the table as far as brand, country, year of manufacture etc as long as the above five points are all hit. You can pretty easily find really good 4-string P/Js, but in fivers, other than these three I get close but no cigar even up into the $2000 range.
 
Have you taken a look at the Ibanez TMB505? It has a thicker neck then the SRs, but it only has a 2 band preamp, and the body shape may not be to your liking. There's also the Kiesel PB5, but again, only a 2 band preamp, and it's over your maximum budget by about $200.
 
Have you taken a look at the Ibanez TMB505? It has a thicker neck then the SRs, but it only has a 2 band preamp, and the body shape may not be to your liking. There's also the Kiesel PB5, but again, only a 2 band preamp, and it's over your maximum budget by about $200.

The Ibby is not a bad option, but as you say the active preamp is a little wanting. Nordstrand pickups, though; I like Ibby's/Nordstrand's solution to the asymmetric 5-string P, of having a "phantom polepiece" under the A string to balance coil size.

I have looked at the Kiesel PB5, it's really nice, I just ran into analysis-paralysis/"ballot fatigue" putting a custom order together. And this is coming from someone who's ordered from Warmoth, so I'm no stranger to a million options, Warmoth just seems to do a better job at illustrating what you're putting together. And, yes, Kiesel's pricepoint is a bit high especially when you start piling on extras.
 
I think your short list is pretty much it for current production instruments. Of course, increase the budget a bit, and all sorts of wonderful custom options become available.

Personally, I'd find an affordable 5-string P/J – or even just a J, because it's relatively easy to rout the body for a split-coil P pickup and then hide the surgery with a new pickguard – that works for you ergonomically, and then mod the heck out of it. For example, you could get a new or preowned Fender Deluxe Active Jazz V (MIM) for under a grand, and then tweak it to your tastes for another ~$300 in parts/shop work.

Honorable mentions to @BassCliff's Kiesel PB5 and @TonyP-'s MTD LTD AP5.
 
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The Ibby is not a bad option, but as you say the active preamp is a little wanting. Nordstrand pickups, though; I like Ibby's/Nordstrand's solution to the asymmetric 5-string P, of having a "phantom polepiece" under the A string to balance coil size.

I have looked at the Kiesel PB5, it's really nice, I just ran into analysis-paralysis/"ballot fatigue" putting a custom order together. And this is coming from someone who's ordered from Warmoth, so I'm no stranger to a million options, Warmoth just seems to do a better job at illustrating what you're putting together. And, yes, Kiesel's pricepoint is a bit high especially when you start piling on extras.
Is there some reason that you wouldn't go for the Sire? It ticks all your boxes, and even at full retail is a quite reasonable price for the features it offers. Another option that I think could be cool, if you decide to go down the modding route like @garp suggested, would be to get one of these Harley Bentons and put in a Nordstrand NP5 and Big Splitman with a coil selector switch, along with the preamp of your choice.
 
Is there some reason that you wouldn't go for the Sire? It ticks all your boxes, and even at full retail is a quite reasonable price for the features it offers. Another option that I think could be cool, if you decide to go down the modding route like @garp suggested, would be to get one of these Harley Bentons and put in a Nordstrand NP5 and Big Splitman with a coil selector switch, along with the preamp of your choice.

No real deal-breakers regarding the Sire, certainly. The P7 is a bit harder to find around here (meaning CONUS retailers buying wholesale and selling for less than MSRP), so the best total price including any taxes and shipping that I'm aware of is from Thomann over in Germany, which slows shipping and makes any possible return more of a pain.

Second, again not a huge deal: in an older "spend my $$$" thread when I last had the scratch to pick one up, the choice was bass or amp. The overwhelming consensus was "amp", and they got no arguments from me there once I'd "rubber-ducked" it a bit writing the thread's OP. However, I got more than one response going a step further, and asking why I was even considering the Sire at all, as it was a "downgrade" from my current primary Yamaha TRB. The answer being that the Yammie is a hell of a player, but it's a zingy, burpy, modern-jazzy toaster-top that doesn't always sit well in mixes, especially of more conventional pop/rock/country fare, and definitely in recordings of same. Hence the search for a bass to supplement, not replace, the Yamaha, with a similar feel and flexibility to the player, but an electronics config that gives me some more conventional colors in its tonal palette.

The Sire is still the front-runner in that search, but that kind of response to what looks like a slam-dunk makes you second-guess whether they really are living up to the hype, and whether picking one up sight-unseen is as good an idea as it first seemed.

I have considered modding as I've done it before; were I younger, still single and thus with more free evenings to devote to such a project, I'd probably be looking harder at ricing out another inexpensive player. Between an MIM Jazz that was one of my first instruments when I did have such time, and a "Swiss Army Strat" I built from a Warmoth bill of materials a couple years back, I've kind of gotten that out of my system. I still tinker with both - I just put an Xtender on the Jazz, and a couple of days ago I tweaked the treble bleed on the Strat as it was staying too bright when turned down - but I'm not really feeling another big project right now. I would rather spend the money, get the bass, and go play it.
 
I just "built" (IE dreamed up) a Kiesel PB 5 and it came in at $1,399. Only "extras" I deviated from base price was the 3x2 headstock shape, and the J pickup and active electronics. A lot of their standard solid colors are no charge right now and the some of the translucent colors are around 40-50 bucks. If I wasnt building a bass myself right now I'd probably pull the trigger on a JB5

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