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SVT-CL. Is it THAT bad ?

Hey guys. I've recently got into the all-tube SVT world, after buying an almost mint SVT-CL. That was after almost getting an MTI-era SVT. I say Almost because some weathy guy from Italy offered about 1800 dollars for it, PLUS shipping. Way too much. I'm from Mexico, and although there are some vintage ampegs in varying conditions and VERY cheap (my bandmate just got a VT-22 that sounded great after major servicing), they're rare after all, you just don't find 'em that often. I read about the 70's SVT amps and most people seem to see them as the bomb, loud as ****, scary, thunderous godzilla-like things. And lots of people see the CL's as next to crap. I tend to favor some vintage amps, (from my experience as a guitarist), and see some upgrades (like tubes) as very positive, but I also find that LOTS of differences people rave about in the amplifier world are there, but they're also very subtle and almost inaudible in a band situation, and you can make modern amps kick ass with some nice tubes and practice with your instrument.

What do you think about the SVT-CL ? Is there anyone who has heard both new and vintage SVT's together? Do you think they're getting too much crap? I'm starting to think this model is being misjudged. I'm not trying to start controversy, just have some opinions. My only complaints with it are:

1. The protection circuitry that shuts off the amp under some conditions. It can ruin your show, but you shouldn't run your gear on crappy power supplies, anyway.

2. The thing about I didn't found the amp THAT loud. Run it with the 810E, my jazz bass, and I mean, is in the big ass league, shakes my house but not in the way i thought, or the way some people describes SVT's. Maybe this is because i'm probably going deaf, or because I play in a loud band and I'm pretty used to big gear.

My only experience with bass and old ampegs is with a V-2 and the original 4x12" cab. It was great, specially for guitar, and i found it kind of cool for bass when used right, but it wasn't THAAAT out of this world. It obviously lacked some power and distorted all the time, and the owner putting an active bass in front of it (For God's Sake), did nothing to help that. He (slapper/funky/tweeter lover kind of player) hated it, became frustrated, and sold the whole thing for almost nothing (like 700 dollars) because he was broke and desperately in need for something smaller and more "focused". I guess a heavy-rock/stoner kind of guy would have another impression of it and would love it for rehearsals.

Thanks !!
 
I have a CL and I haven't had any issues with it.
I've owned 2 old SVT's in the past and find the tone of the CL although not the same, very good in it's own right.
It is a work horse and easy to find a good tone.
Yea, I have to agree that it doesn't seem to have the volume the old ones did . I really don't understand why though.
 
I agree that both are great amps. I have used my friend's Magnavox era SVT and I own a SVT CL. I much prefer mine. I find that it has many more useful tones and levels than the old SVT. The old one has a great rock tone but without a PRE- master volume set up I find it not as flexable. I also think my SVT CL is as loud as his old SVT. AS Bryan Bellar from Bassplayer said; "This amp (SVT-CL) is so loud it will make you sweat!"
 
I have used many a rented CL and never had a problem. I think it gets pretty darn close to the sound of a regular SVT, although the separate gain/master does create a slight buzziness that you won't find in a standard SVT. It's like if you don't turn up the gain, the sound gets weak, but if you turn it up, the sound gets stronger and more powerful but less dimensional than SVT's without the gain/master. Hard to put into words, but those who have experienced both know what I'm talking about. Still, I would never kick one out of bed for eating crackers. The CL is still one of the finest amps made today and it still sounds very much like an SVT.
 
to the OP- please understand that in the bass and guitar world there is a prevalent, older is vintage, vintage is better paradigm. On the forums, there is a TREMENDOUS multiplication factor as people start to regurgitate statements they have read. Please don't take offense but even your thread title "is it that bad", adds to the infamous mystique.

So, you say "lots of said the CL is crap". Well, it is still a staple at backline companies and it is indeed a classic. Don't let people snow you- it is a fine amp. Now, if the Ampeg tone is not what somebody is looking for, well, that's legitimate but, that is a different discussion than is the CL not as good as the original.

One last thing on this, and I've posted this before on the many "CL's aen't that good" threads, but nobody has commented. In my job, I've consulted with MANY pros not just on GB amps but on "getting the most out of their rig". With that being said, if you put a simple MXR eq in the loop of a CL, with very minor adjustments, the old tones are there.

I hope this helps and that it doesn't come off too "preachy".
 
As others have said, the secret to getting the most out of an SVT-CL is in setting the gain somewhat high. If the gain is set too low, the amp is just flaccid and has no balls to its sound. I set my gain, and master, at about 11-11:30, or 4.5 on the dial, and it flat out thunders through two Avatar cabs, a 410 and a 212. I've never needed to go above 6 on the master either. There's TONS of volume in that amp. It may not all be clean, but it's great.
 
I set my gain at about 7-8 and master no higher than 4 thru a SVT-810E cab; above that and the band is drifting into the background. I also like to use the hi boost and set EQ more towards treble - compliments the Ric. The head inherently has a lot of bass.

More toward the issue - I'd only note that Tom Petty's bassist used two CL/810 rigs at the Superbowl.
 
Never owned one (came close though) but have played though the CL several times and I love the tone/overall sound. Its unfortunate that Ampeg is not really Ampeg anymore. And despite much cheaper production (labor) they are still going for 1600 +. A lot of bass players myself included are opting for Traynor YBA 200's or other all tube amps for half the cost for roughly the same overall sound.
 
Never owned one (came close though) but have played though the CL several times and I love the tone/overall sound. Its unfortunate that Ampeg is not really Ampeg anymore. And despite much cheaper production (labor) they are still going for 1600 +. A lot of bass players myself included are opting for Traynor YBA 200's or other all tube amps for half the cost for roughly the same overall sound.
Ampeg hasn't been Ampeg since Everett Hull sold to Unimusic in 1966. I know the point you're trying to make but that ship sailed over 40 years ago.
 
...A lot of bass players myself included are opting for Traynor YBA 200's or other all tube amps for half the cost for roughly the same overall sound.
I've got to disagree with you on that "same overall sound" comment. I used a backlined Traynor YBA 200 last week-end in Austin and Houston, and it didn't even come close to the dynamic response that I'm used to with SVT's . . . also, the combination amp/speaker enclosure is voiced much "darker" (read "boomy-er") than the SVT/810 combinatiion . . .
 
Ampeg hasn't been Ampeg since Everett Hull sold to Unimusic in 1966. I know the point you're trying to make but that ship sailed over 40 years ago.

The "Ampeg" that people here are referring to is the Magnavox/70's era. NO Ampeg bass amp highly regarded here besides the B15N even existed under Hull. It is fair to compare and contrast Magnavox, who sank considerable R&D dollars into Ampeg and had sales to match, with Loud, who have cut every conceivable corner for maximum profit.
 
Though I like the CL just fine, I think the reason you see it as a staple of backline is more a matter of availability of other options than a conscious choice. For a long time, the only available SVT heads were the 2 Pro and the CL, and in the looks dept, the CL beats the pants off the 2 Pro. VR's are starting to creep into backline but most companies are still going strong with their CL's from the SLM era and see no need to get something else.
 

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