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Taylor Swift on SNL

#21
Commreman said:
She's a great role model. My 11 year old daughter is absolutely nuts about her stuff. Taylor got her off the Myley/Montana bandwagon (thank God!) For that alone, I am indebted to her!
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Yeah I'd take an anorexic* over a cokehead as a role model for my kids any day.

*Please note that I don't know for a certainty that Taylor Swift has an eating disorder,...but I watched the monologue and searched a number of photo's of her and she appears very skinny. Someone should probably give her a sandwich or some carrots or something.
 
#22
warwick.hoy said:
Yeah I'd take an anorexic* over a cokehead as a role model for my kids any day.

*Please note that I don't know for a certainty that Taylor Swift has an eating disorder,...but I watched the monologue and searched a number of photo's of her and she appears very skinny. Someone should probably give her a sandwich or some carrots or something.
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I'm (very) skinny and I eat normally. People are amazingly fast at assuming that skinny celebrities are anorexic, and would be curvy if they "ate like normal people".
 
#26
My 11-year-old daughter digs her, and so does my wife. I can think of MANY worse role models in the entertainment world for my daughter to look up to. Sure, TS's stuff is bubble-gum pop marketed as country music, but it has obviously hit home with enough people that she's selling millions. I'd rather listen to TS than Kanye. Congrats to TS for doing a good job on SNL.
 
#27
L-A said:
I'm (very) skinny and I eat normally. People are amazingly fast at assuming that skinny celebrities are anorexic, and would be curvy if they "ate like normal people".
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Which is why I added the disclaimer.

The quickness comes from the fact that many celebrities starve themselves to stay thin. In celebrity culture thin = pretty and pretty = competitive, but that wasn't really my point.

My point is that these are the people we allow to be role models to our children. The skinny pretty fake ones on TV. What happened to using real people as role models? If TV has all the role models we need then why do we even have teachers, parents, coaches, cops, mentors,...?
 
#30
warwick.hoy said:
My point is that these are the people we allow to be role models to our children. The skinny pretty fake ones on TV. What happened to using real people as role models? If TV has all the role models we need then why do we even have teachers, parents, coaches, cops, mentors,...?
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Skinny people are "real" people too. One thing I really dislike is the Lane Bryant campaign that their clothes are for "real" women, or any woman with curves is described as a "real" woman, as if being thin or even in just good physical shape were a bad thing. And the people on TV have no part in being role models. If parents are letting the people on TV be their role models rather than ensuring that they or their coaches, cops, etc. are, then it's the parents who have failed.
 
#31
Here's my realist opinion on role models. Kids are hard to impress. As they get older they begin to appreciate the more complex side if life (good character, good "family" people, that kind of thing). But while they are young, you will be hard pressed to get them to change their ways because their soccer coach (who leaves their $10.00/hr day job to come coach) is "neato". ALTHOUGH I THINK that's very admirable, they don't get it because the thoery of sacrifice doesn't ring with them yet. So until they are old enough to "get it" I have no problem using someone famous as a role model if they seem to have their head on straight. Allowing Taylor to be a role model (smart, creative, as yet not "slutty", assertive, etc.) can be a good thing because they will be impressed by someone famous. If you think today's kids are going to be impressed by "Joe the cop" or "Mrs.Smith" at school, think again.

Now if I can just keep my baby from swerving into the "Barney years" I'll be doing great. I hate that freakin animal.
 
#33
two fingers said:
Now if I can just keep my baby from swerving into the "Barney years" I'll be doing great. I hate that freakin animal.
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It can be done. Our daughter never watched Barney or Teletubbies, and at nearly 6 she my wife has already ingrained it into her that Hannah Montana is bad :D
 
#35
Bryan R. Tyler said:
Skinny people are "real" people too. One thing I really dislike is the Lane Bryant campaign that their clothes are for "real" women, or any woman with curves is described as a "real" woman, as if being thin or even in just good physical shape were a bad thing. And the people on TV have no part in being role models. If parents are letting the people on TV be their role models rather than ensuring that they or their coaches, cops, etc. are, then it's the parents who have failed.
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And let it be known that I take no issue with being skinny,...a club that my 150lb frame is a member of. I don't deny that skinny people are real too. Taylor Swift is not real*, not in the sense that a person could reach out to her, have a conversation with her...unless that person was equally as privileged as Taylor Swift.

*I site the fact that the label Taylor Swift is signed to is called "Link Removed" as evidence to her fakeness. They just love to make it so obvious don't they.

two fingers said:
Here's my realist opinion on role models. Kids are hard to impress. As they get older they begin to appreciate the more complex side if life (good character, good "family" people, that kind of thing). But while they are young, you will be hard pressed to get them to change their ways because their soccer coach (who leaves their $10.00/hr day job to come coach) is "neato". ALTHOUGH I THINK that's very admirable, they don't get it because the thoery of sacrifice doesn't ring with them yet. So until they are old enough to "get it" I have no problem using someone famous as a role model if they seem to have their head on straight. Allowing Taylor to be a role model (smart, creative, as yet not "slutty", assertive, etc.) can be a good thing because they will be impressed by someone famous. If you think today's kids are going to be impressed by "Joe the cop" or "Mrs.Smith" at school, think again.

Now if I can just keep my baby from swerving into the "Barney years" I'll be doing great. I hate that freakin animal.
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Fair Enough. Honestly it is hard for me to identify because I don't have any kids. If I were ever so inclined to have kids I would hope that I could impress them enough to the point that I wouldn't have to use a celebrity as a role model. I can see the difficulty however. Youth these days are so plugged in what chance does a parent, coach,....etc have to be a role model.

But then again is it a failure of the education system that teachers can't stand out and be impressive? Are we so handcuffed as a society in general that we have to rely on Disney and NBC to pick our role models for us. A sad state of affairs.
 
#36
Bryan R. Tyler said:
Skinny people are "real" people too. One thing I really dislike is the Lane Bryant campaign that their clothes are for "real" women, or any woman with curves is described as a "real" woman, as if being thin or even in just good physical shape were a bad thing.
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Lane Bryant's ads are instigated by the fact that MOST fashion marketing portrays a body type that is not typical of how MOST women are shaped. It's an attempt to sell to a segment of people who feel ignored by an industry that equates beauty with skinny. There's nothing wrong with being skinny, or fat, or anywhere in between. Beauty - and ugly - exists in lots of different sizes. Personally, I prefer women to be curvy and a little on the soft side.

EDIT: From everything I've seen, TS is a decent young lady who takes what she does seriously and works her @$$ off at it. My daugher, who has an interest in music and performing, sees TS as a role model because her music is accessible and she's not that far removed age-wise. TS is just one role model in my daughter's life at the moment (subject to change because she's young...and female) including me, her mom, her step dad, her step mom (my wife), some great teachers, her aunts and uncles, her grandparents, and her friends. It's not rare or wrong for a kid to look up to a pop star or sports hero. It's my job as a parent to try to keep my daughter from learning lessons from the wrong people. As of now, I have no problem with my daughter liking Ms. Swift.
 
#37
I'm sure a lot of it may have to do with both parents needing to work all of the time, so television often becomes a babysitter. We're lucky in that I work from home.
 
#38
EricF said:
Lane Bryant's ads are instigated by the fact that MOST fashion marketing portrays a body type that is not typical of how MOST women are shaped. It's an attempt to sell to a segment of people who feel ignored by an industry that equates beauty with skinny. There's nothing wrong with being skinny, or fat, or anywhere in between. Beauty - and ugly - exists in lots of different sizes. Personally, I prefer women to be curvy and a little on the soft side.
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As do I. I spent most of my life being very skinny though, so I never dug the idea of boosting your own self-esteem at someone else's expense.
 

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