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TC Electronics RH450 Quasi-Wattage Ratings Discussion Thread

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Jarrett said:
Now TC has come out and said they were aware of this and rated the head on how it felt rather than true wattage specs calling it "quasi-wattage measurements."


One of the main reasons I did not like the 450 or 750 is because it did not feel like the power it was rated. If they had asked me about how many watts the amps "felt" like we all may be looking at closer to real watt specs being published.
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BurningSkies said:
The ideas of being misinformed and being lied to seem to be intertwined too.
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Um...what?

Misinform and lie are synonyms, so they should be intertwined.

I'm guessing what you might be trying to cleverly suggest is that I'm somehow excusing TCE for lying about the specs because I chose the word "misinform" instead of "lie."

I'm trying to understand what other people feel the practical effect of the lie was.

People will decide for themselves what their *reaction* to being lied to is, but the amp didn't do anything wrong. It's exactly the same as it was before the measured specs were published.

Personally, my reaction to TCE is best described as disappointment. I'm not angry, and I don't feel cheated of value. The correct information wouldn't have kept me from buying the amp in the first place. While disappointed in their actions and apparent failure, right now, to appreciate how many are reacting, this episode wouldn't necessarily make me decide against buying from them in the future.
 
#23
Jarrett said:
Yeah, I get what you mean. People also are aware they are not 450 watt amps now. But when they were first released they were said to be 450 watt amps going for $999, I believe. That's when the truth would have been really nice to have.
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Yep, MAP was $999.

I wouldn't say "people are aware" of the actual wattage though. Have they changed their advertising or lit? That's what I'd want to see them do.
 
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Would any of you like TCE to add a button to the front panel of the RH 450 to restore full dynamic range and defeat the "baked-in" compression?

Should the compression knob on the RH450 be relabeled to read "even more compression?"

I wonder what the measured output, in watts, would be if I were to put a compressor in the effects loop of my Carvin B1500 as squash the signal as much as TCE does with their RH450?
 
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Jazzdogg said:
Would any of you like TCE to add a button to the front panel of the RH 450 to restore full dynamic range and defeat the "baked-in" compression?

Should the compression knob on the RH450 be relabeled to read "even more compression?"

I wonder what the measured output, in watts, would be if I were to put a compressor in the effects loop of my Carvin B1500 as squash the signal as much as TCE does with their RH450?
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I'd like TC to release the RH450 without the high end roll-off. I don't need the extra juice and cost of the RH750, but prefer my amp to not be rolling off high end. That's my choice when and how much.
 
#30
BurningSkies said:
They should have listed it as "450 tube watts" then. ;) Then at least most amp people would realize their power rating was bogus.
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My comment wasn't really aimed at the wattage argument at all, but rather at the reality of what tube amps do, and how this head seeks to emulate that. Simply calling it compression isn't at all what's going on with this head. Respectfully, I still think you don't quite understand that.
 
#31
Eublet said:
My comment wasn't really aimed at the wattage argument at all, but rather at the reality of what tube amps do, and how this head seeks to emulate that. Simply calling it compression isn't at all what's going on with this head. Respectfully, I still think you don't quite understand that.
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No, I do.
 
#33
I used my RH450 and AE410 at an outdoor show on Saturday... the amp performed flawlessly. That said, I still have a bee in my bonnet about this whole thing.
I having been telling anyone willing to listen about how great my little bass amp is and when asked how powerful it is, I have been telling folks it's 450 watts. Apparently I have been lying to them and some of them are folks I hold in very high regard. This now speaks to MY character.
So what bothers me most at this time is;
-the lying thing
-the continuation of the lie
-TC's complete lack of regret regarding the whole situation. I have not read an appology, only an "explanation".
-online I have not seen any adjustments to TC or their vendors literature surrounding this line of amps
-I have not seen TC come clean on their other amps
-TC seems to drop in here when it is convenient to them, but have stayed pretty quiet considering the level of discontent amoung their customers
-as one who was fairly early amoung the buyers of this amp, I paid a pretty good coin for the amp, actually, over $1000.00CAD... and I know that in my above statement, I said the amp has not let me down, but it's marketing and price point really let me down and has put me in a position to be either laughed at, based on actual wattage or considered a liar, none of which at the end of the day, makes me a very happy TC customer.
TC, the ball is now squarely planted in your corner, what are YOU going to do, to satisfy customers like me!?
Fishheadjoe
 
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Eublet said:
My comment wasn't really aimed at the wattage argument at all, but rather at the reality of what tube amps do, and how this head seeks to emulate that. Simply calling it compression isn't at all what's going on with this head.
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If we want to consider limiting a form of compression - yes, that IS all that is going on with this head.

From what most folks say it's a nicely implemented, transparent, multi-band compression scheme that takes the output of the power amp into its feedback loop... but it's still just fancy compression. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
#36
After the BassGear review came out, I told someone my RH750 was 750 watts and then after saying it thought to myself, I shouldn't said that. I don't actually know what the wattage of this amp is. It's likely under 400 watts and I'm telling people is 750 watts. Perpetuating TC's lies. I've made a mental note to quit doing that.
 
#37
drpepper said:
In point of fact - A lie is an intentionally false statement.

It doesn't speak to your character.
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You may be right about that, but it doesn't help when I am walking around spreading a lie and then having to face the music as a result.
Technically you may be right, but that's NOT how I feel about it.
I guess I should have a dictionary description of a lie in hand, when I get back to my friends and tell them that I have been mis-led.
That'll help my medium to long term credibility with them!:eek:
Fishheadjoe
 
#39
I thought I might actually enjoy some discussion on this in a dedicated thread, but I'm realizing that all this bitterness is just too depressing to be around. Unsubscribing.
 
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Eublet said:
I thought I might actually enjoy some discussion on this in a dedicated thread, but I'm realizing that all this bitterness is just too depressing to be around. Unsubscribing.
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:rolleyes:

I was reading my BGM this weekend and was glad to get some confirmation of what I heard. Personally, I like the naturally voiced compression, but would prefer that it not be there or be controllable. It also explains why I don't like the compressor beyond 3-4 clicks. I am very disappointed with the wattage misrepresentation.

Actually, given that they focus on studio gear, the compression isn't all that surprising.
 
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