Those I have a pretty long and I need some short ones but know sure hoe short they can get. Here are the ones I'v been looking at:
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TecAmp S212/Puma500 Ultra Light Rig
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Those I have a pretty long and I need some short ones but know sure hoe short they can get. Here are the ones I'v been looking at:
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A Bonafide running at 2ohms per side in that little box seems quite a bit different than a 500 running at 4ohms in the same size box. That's a lot of power and heat (even with class D amps) in a very small space.
Also, I would assume the fan should run in direct relation to the heat generated by the amp. If the amp feels hot, and the fan isn't on, something is wrong. With the 500, my guess is, it would rarely get hot enough to trigger anything more than very low fan operation. With the Bona bridged into a 4ohm cab, and in that rack bag case (which seems to at least slightly restrict the airflow), I would guess that fan would (or should) run a lot.
The guys at TecAmp says that amp will get hot before the fan starts running, but I haven't seen it running yet not even when I turn on the amp. The dealer I brought from will double check as soon he gets another Bonafide in
Just moved from a Trace head (30+ kg), 4x10'' cab (50kg), 1x15'' cab (40kg) full stack to a Puma 212 Combo. The stack had a great sound, but I didn't like to carry it any more.
The Puma 212 Combo has 500 Watts in 4 Ohms, 320 Watts in 8 Ohms. The internal speakers are 8 Ohm, so you can plug in another cabinet.
For the highs and highmids it has special driver that is no horn, but praised capable to have high output beyond 10kHz.
The eq section is equal to the Puma 500: gain,taste,low lomid, himid, high,master.
I have to confess that I purchaised this thing blindly. There was an occasion in E-bay by a dealer for almost half the price ($1280) and nobody did a bid - so I had to. I never played a TecAmp before.
I immediately took it to an open air Modern Jazz gig, just checking it works.
So I stuffed my fretless, effect board and the small Puma into the car.
Heading for the stage, wheeling the 21,5 kg amp behind me - he has wheels and a handle - yep! it need it for its enormous weight ;-)
Switched on, adjust gain, master to about 10 oClock, mwoaahhhhhhh - the mixing guy immediately yelled: "hey man, that amp is much too loud." ... Whow! What a deep, deep powerful response from that small cab! Unbelievable!
My experiences soundwise: this is a completely different breed than the Trace I used before. The sound of the Trace was more middy, the sound of the TecAmp is more scooped (compared to the trace). I get a good setting with the taste to about 11 and the lowmid to 1 o'clock. Still it has more deepth in the bass and more silvery highs than the trace, but also with good mid definition. What also impressed my was the transparency of the sound in the lows. The Trace tends to get muddy-boomy the TecAmp combo is very low down but transparent and well controlled. I played the amp also with a fretted Marleaux bass - same impression as with the fretless.
The really big surprise was the 4'' midhigh cone driver. Normally this kind of design leaves you missing the very high airy trebles needed for very modern hifi sounds. This speaker simply kills! It delivers highs with such an easyness I was startled! And this completely without that harshness that horn drivers tend to offer! You can forget about the Fostex horn of my 4x10 cabinet - the 4'' driver of the TecAmp sounds ways better. I'm glad no longer have to play with attenuators to control harshness and shrillness of a horn. This is perfect!
Bottom line: well, I improved in both ways - less to carry but richer sound. I thought adding a second cab, but so far I can't imagine a gig-situation that make it inevitable. In my 30 years of being bassist this is the most radical improvement step and biggest suprise I experienced: 100kg less weight + richer sound := 100% more fun playing gigs!
The Puma 212 Combo has 500 Watts in 4 Ohms, 320 Watts in 8 Ohms. The internal speakers are 8 Ohm, so you can plug in another cabinet.
For the highs and highmids it has special driver that is no horn, but praised capable to have high output beyond 10kHz.
The eq section is equal to the Puma 500: gain,taste,low lomid, himid, high,master.
I have to confess that I purchaised this thing blindly. There was an occasion in E-bay by a dealer for almost half the price ($1280) and nobody did a bid - so I had to. I never played a TecAmp before.
I immediately took it to an open air Modern Jazz gig, just checking it works.
So I stuffed my fretless, effect board and the small Puma into the car.
Heading for the stage, wheeling the 21,5 kg amp behind me - he has wheels and a handle - yep! it need it for its enormous weight ;-)
Switched on, adjust gain, master to about 10 oClock, mwoaahhhhhhh - the mixing guy immediately yelled: "hey man, that amp is much too loud." ... Whow! What a deep, deep powerful response from that small cab! Unbelievable!
My experiences soundwise: this is a completely different breed than the Trace I used before. The sound of the Trace was more middy, the sound of the TecAmp is more scooped (compared to the trace). I get a good setting with the taste to about 11 and the lowmid to 1 o'clock. Still it has more deepth in the bass and more silvery highs than the trace, but also with good mid definition. What also impressed my was the transparency of the sound in the lows. The Trace tends to get muddy-boomy the TecAmp combo is very low down but transparent and well controlled. I played the amp also with a fretted Marleaux bass - same impression as with the fretless.
The really big surprise was the 4'' midhigh cone driver. Normally this kind of design leaves you missing the very high airy trebles needed for very modern hifi sounds. This speaker simply kills! It delivers highs with such an easyness I was startled! And this completely without that harshness that horn drivers tend to offer! You can forget about the Fostex horn of my 4x10 cabinet - the 4'' driver of the TecAmp sounds ways better. I'm glad no longer have to play with attenuators to control harshness and shrillness of a horn. This is perfect!
Bottom line: well, I improved in both ways - less to carry but richer sound. I thought adding a second cab, but so far I can't imagine a gig-situation that make it inevitable. In my 30 years of being bassist this is the most radical improvement step and biggest suprise I experienced: 100kg less weight + richer sound := 100% more fun playing gigs!
I went out and bought the gig bag form my Puma 1000. I've done a couple of gigs with it in the bag and I can say it gets hot in there. One gig with EAwizzy10 using one amp into 4 ohms at 25% volume master, and one gig using EAnl210, one amp into 8 ohms, 50% volume master.....still got hot. I suspect it may be the amp case not dissipating heat due to the quilting effect of the bag, I cant tell if the fan switched on at this temperature, due to amp being in a bag and background noise everywhere. The fan works at start-up, and the amp doesnt get hot when its out of the bag. Out the bag there is a lot of metal case to dissipate heat, maybe the amp is still OK and its just the case that is retaining heat, but just to be safe I may remove the bag if future.
Iain H
Iain H
This from TECAMP. Seems that heat from amp when in gigbag is OK.
Dear Iain,
The Puma gets hot when it is in the Softback. But this will be no problem. The fan is
able to cool the amp. He start working when the amp has more than 60°C.
I´m glad that you are a TecAmp user.
Best regards,
Thomas Eich
TecAmp
Alter Bahnhofsweg 5
D-35745 Herborn
Fon: +49 (0) 27 77-63 91
Fax: +49 (0) 27 77-6991
www.tecamp.de
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Managing director / Geschäftsführer:
Thomas Eich e. K.
Dear Iain,
The Puma gets hot when it is in the Softback. But this will be no problem. The fan is
able to cool the amp. He start working when the amp has more than 60°C.
I´m glad that you are a TecAmp user.
Best regards,
Thomas Eich
TecAmp
Alter Bahnhofsweg 5
D-35745 Herborn
Fon: +49 (0) 27 77-63 91
Fax: +49 (0) 27 77-6991
www.tecamp.de
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Managing director / Geschäftsführer:
Thomas Eich e. K.
It would make sense that the Puma1000 and the Bonafide would generate quite a bit more heat than the Puma500 that I use (that has 'half the power in the same sized box). My Puma500 gets, at most, slightly warm when really pushed at 4ohms in the rack bag, so zero issue there.
For the 1000 and Bonafide, it seems that getting a more standard bag for it and using it without the rack bag would be a good idea, especially with the Bonafide bridged at 4ohms.... that's a lot of heat generated with each of those amps running hard at 2ohms in that very small box. IMO.
I have been using the Puma 1000 for almost a whole year now,
I play in Country/Rock situations very loud, with a lot of low end,
The amp doesn't seem to get warm much at all.
I play with pre at 12:00, master at 12:00, low boost on, low-mid
cut slightly.
I have used the amp bridged, with an 8 ohm Schroeder BMF 412, a TecAmp
4 ohm 410 with a TecAmp Pleasure Board on channel 2 at 8 ohms,
as well as a Warwick Neo 810 split into upper and lower cabinets.
The only real issue with the amp is, like someone else stated, the controls do not have any resistance, so when you open up the bag,
your settings are changed.
I am now the Los Angeles dealer for TecAmp products,
and I will be having specials on a few pieces after Bass Player Live in october.
www.thebassstation.com
The only time I do not use the Puma 1000 is in a real dirty environment, (smokey bar, rodeo) mainly because I want it to not get dirty, so it will last a lifetime, I have a Warwick Xtreme 10.1 boat anchor for the dirty jobs.
I am happy to see all the newer lightweight products coming out
to save the back muscles of us bottom feeders!!......LOL
Allen
I play in Country/Rock situations very loud, with a lot of low end,
The amp doesn't seem to get warm much at all.
I play with pre at 12:00, master at 12:00, low boost on, low-mid
cut slightly.
I have used the amp bridged, with an 8 ohm Schroeder BMF 412, a TecAmp
4 ohm 410 with a TecAmp Pleasure Board on channel 2 at 8 ohms,
as well as a Warwick Neo 810 split into upper and lower cabinets.
The only real issue with the amp is, like someone else stated, the controls do not have any resistance, so when you open up the bag,
your settings are changed.
I am now the Los Angeles dealer for TecAmp products,
and I will be having specials on a few pieces after Bass Player Live in october.
www.thebassstation.com
The only time I do not use the Puma 1000 is in a real dirty environment, (smokey bar, rodeo) mainly because I want it to not get dirty, so it will last a lifetime, I have a Warwick Xtreme 10.1 boat anchor for the dirty jobs.
I am happy to see all the newer lightweight products coming out
to save the back muscles of us bottom feeders!!......LOL
Allen
Are you running it using the rack bag? I assume not, since the controls don't even touch the rack back covers, so they wouldn't move.
I think what some are reporting is a bit of heat being generated by the larger dual amp models (1000 and bonafide) when in the bag, which seems to impede airflow just a touch due to the mesh over the fan and air intakes.
Again, my Puma500 never gets more than slightly warm in the bag, but it is a lot less amp in the same size box, which would make it easier for the fan to cool, even with slightly restricted airflow.
Wonderful sounding stuff though!
Just moved from a Trace head (30+ kg), 4x10'' cab (50kg), 1x15'' cab (40kg) full stack to a Puma 212 Combo. The stack had a great sound, but I didn't like to carry it any more.
The Puma 212 Combo has 500 Watts in 4 Ohms, 320 Watts in 8 Ohms. The internal speakers are 8 Ohm, so you can plug in another cabinet.
For the highs and highmids it has special driver that is no horn, but praised capable to have high output beyond 10kHz.
The eq section is equal to the Puma 500: gain,taste,low lomid, himid, high,master.
I have to confess that I purchaised this thing blindly. There was an occasion in E-bay by a dealer for almost half the price ($1280) and nobody did a bid - so I had to. I never played a TecAmp before.
I immediately took it to an open air Modern Jazz gig, just checking it works.
So I stuffed my fretless, effect board and the small Puma into the car.
Heading for the stage, wheeling the 21,5 kg amp behind me - he has wheels and a handle - yep! it need it for its enormous weight ;-)
Switched on, adjust gain, master to about 10 oClock, mwoaahhhhhhh - the mixing guy immediately yelled: "hey man, that amp is much too loud." ... Whow! What a deep, deep powerful response from that small cab! Unbelievable!
My experiences soundwise: this is a completely different breed than the Trace I used before. The sound of the Trace was more middy, the sound of the TecAmp is more scooped (compared to the trace). I get a good setting with the taste to about 11 and the lowmid to 1 o'clock. Still it has more deepth in the bass and more silvery highs than the trace, but also with good mid definition. What also impressed my was the transparency of the sound in the lows. The Trace tends to get muddy-boomy the TecAmp combo is very low down but transparent and well controlled. I played the amp also with a fretted Marleaux bass - same impression as with the fretless.
The really big surprise was the 4'' midhigh cone driver. Normally this kind of design leaves you missing the very high airy trebles needed for very modern hifi sounds. This speaker simply kills! It delivers highs with such an easyness I was startled! And this completely without that harshness that horn drivers tend to offer! You can forget about the Fostex horn of my 4x10 cabinet - the 4'' driver of the TecAmp sounds ways better. I'm glad no longer have to play with attenuators to control harshness and shrillness of a horn. This is perfect!
Bottom line: well, I improved in both ways - less to carry but richer sound. I thought adding a second cab, but so far I can't imagine a gig-situation that make it inevitable. In my 30 years of being bassist this is the most radical improvement step and biggest suprise I experienced: 100kg less weight + richer sound := 100% more fun playing gigs!
Well, well.... another happy owner of the Puma 212 combo!
And to think you replaced a full size stack with it too 
They are IMO... very impressive in every respect. Great to hear you're enjoying the combo, I'm still loving mine
Well, well.... another happy owner of the Puma 212 combo!
Great to hear you're enjoying the combo, I'm still loving mine
How the technique of bass amplification improved in the last few years!!! The git players I'm playing with are complaining about git amps didn't have developed likewise.
Full stacks are nice, impressive, powerful and will remain being the best choice for adequate bass amplification!!
But - well, yes!!! - meanwhile there are alternatives for those without stage rowdies or lust of lifting a lot of gear around.
And that's why I fell in love with the tecamp combo - surely it is one of the *very* good alternatives available on the market - and I concentrate just to
but lifting and connetcing gear speyer! this is our bass amplification understatement statement whilst delivering great tone!
Hey,
I've just received a 4 ohms Tecamp M212 which will take the place of my beloved Glockenklang 8ohms 4x10".
I'll wait a bit to comment on the tone. I've used my Glock for 6 years so I need to spend some time with the new cab to fresh my ears.
The thing that strikes immediatly is how light this thing is. Only 44lbs which is near to half the weight of my 4x10".
The drawback of that light weight, for someone like me not used to light weight gear is that it gives a strange impression that the cab won't stand much road abuse...
I'm sure it is just an impression since the construction is topnotch and I need to get used to that light monster.
The cab is beautifully made with attention to details like the very accessible tweeter control hidden in the right handle, the very distinctive chrome logo, high quality tolex covering, everything is immaculate.
Sizewize, the M212 seems and in reality is bigger than my 4x10" which is a compact one. Anyway the light weight and the slightly narrower width make it very easy to move it up and down the two floors of my house
I will stop there for the moment and will repport back after a few time spent with the M212 and maybe one or two gigs.
To sum up my firts impressions based on appearance and construction of the cab :
the + :
-crazy light in comparison to the 81lbs of my Glock 4x10"
-immaculate construction
-cleaver conception (tweeter switching system, all side access handles)
-nice cover that fit the cab perfectly
-great look, black with some touch of chrome.
the -
-still a big box to handle
-I realy prefer the Glock spray on covering to the tolex which feels less durable IMHO.
-the light weight and tighter popelar boards used makes the cab feel less sturdy than the Glock made from full size birch.
That's all for now.
Regards
I've just received a 4 ohms Tecamp M212 which will take the place of my beloved Glockenklang 8ohms 4x10".
I'll wait a bit to comment on the tone. I've used my Glock for 6 years so I need to spend some time with the new cab to fresh my ears.
The thing that strikes immediatly is how light this thing is. Only 44lbs which is near to half the weight of my 4x10".
The drawback of that light weight, for someone like me not used to light weight gear is that it gives a strange impression that the cab won't stand much road abuse...
I'm sure it is just an impression since the construction is topnotch and I need to get used to that light monster.
The cab is beautifully made with attention to details like the very accessible tweeter control hidden in the right handle, the very distinctive chrome logo, high quality tolex covering, everything is immaculate.
Sizewize, the M212 seems and in reality is bigger than my 4x10" which is a compact one. Anyway the light weight and the slightly narrower width make it very easy to move it up and down the two floors of my house
I will stop there for the moment and will repport back after a few time spent with the M212 and maybe one or two gigs.
To sum up my firts impressions based on appearance and construction of the cab :
the + :
-crazy light in comparison to the 81lbs of my Glock 4x10"
-immaculate construction
-cleaver conception (tweeter switching system, all side access handles)
-nice cover that fit the cab perfectly
-great look, black with some touch of chrome.
the -
-still a big box to handle
-I realy prefer the Glock spray on covering to the tolex which feels less durable IMHO.
-the light weight and tighter popelar boards used makes the cab feel less sturdy than the Glock made from full size birch.
That's all for now.
Regards
Hey,
I've just received a 4 ohms Tecamp M212 which will take the place of my beloved Glockenklang 8ohms 4x10".
I'll wait a bit to comment on the tone. I've used my Glock for 6 years so I need to spend some time with the new cab to fresh my ears.
The thing that strikes immediatly is how light this thing is. Only 44lbs which is near to half the weight of my 4x10".
The drawback of that light weight, for someone like me not used to light weight gear is that it gives a strange impression that the cab won't stand much road abuse...
I'm sure it is just an impression since the construction is topnotch and I need to get used to that light monster.
The cab is beautifully made with attention to details like the very accessible tweeter control hidden in the right handle, the very distinctive chrome logo, high quality tolex covering, everything is immaculate.
Sizewize, the M212 seems and in reality is bigger than my 4x10" which is a compact one. Anyway the light weight and the slightly narrower width make it very easy to move it up and down the two floors of my house
I will stop there for the moment and will repport back after a few time spent with the M212 and maybe one or two gigs.
To sum up my firts impressions based on appearance and construction of the cab :
the + :
-crazy light in comparison to the 81lbs of my Glock 4x10"
-immaculate construction
-cleaver conception (tweeter switching system, all side access handles)
-nice cover that fit the cab perfectly
-great look, black with some touch of chrome.
the -
-still a big box to handle
-I realy prefer the Glock spray on covering to the tolex which feels less durable IMHO.
-the light weight and tighter popelar boards used makes the cab feel less sturdy than the Glock made from full size birch.
That's all for now.
Regards
Let us know how it goes. I wouldn't worry much about the tolex as long as you have the covers, and the durability should be good (I've been using various lightweight cabs for years now with no problem). I've pounded my s212 at volumes that seem almost impossible coming from that little box, with no problems at this point.
I've yet to find a 212 that can keep up volume-wise with a 410, but I would hope that the larger box size of the M212 would at least get you close, and reduce the weight a LOT.
Just in case you're not aware, Glock makes a Take-5 Light-Neo version of your 4X10 which weighs 55 lbs: (Click on Take-5 in the LH column)
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FWIW,
Jim
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Jim
Hey,
I've just received a 4 ohms Tecamp M212 which will take the place of my beloved Glockenklang 8ohms 4x10".
I'll wait a bit to comment on the tone. I've used my Glock for 6 years so I need to spend some time with the new cab to fresh my ears.
The thing that strikes immediatly is how light this thing is. Only 44lbs which is near to half the weight of my 4x10".
...
Regards
My Puma 1000 (w/ gig bag) just showed up yesterday from Brian and The LowEnd. I've only tried it before buying and now with a 4 ohm cab. I may have missed it, but can anyone tell me if there is a difference in tone running it at 4 ohms vs bridged at 8 ohms?
Don at LDS is building me a 15/6/1 fEarful style cab but it will be another few weeks before it's done and I was hoping to hear some opinions while I wait impatiently.
Don at LDS is building me a 15/6/1 fEarful style cab but it will be another few weeks before it's done and I was hoping to hear some opinions while I wait impatiently.
Thanks for the info but as a Glock long time user, I already knew the Take five neo.
Unfortunatly, this speaker is realy expensive (1500 which is about 2000$).
I spent some time yesterday evening with the two cab alternativly powered with my Glockenklang Soul head and will make a quick review as soon as possible...
Those two cab are realy two different beasts.
Regards
There should be no difference in 'tone' at all. Of course, you will double the power at 8ohms bridged, so you will hear a more forcefull, open, deeper low end due to all the additional headroom.
I couldn't imagine why there would be but that didn't stop my mind from worrying about it since I don't have a big 8 ohm cab to test it out with.
All I can tell you is that Don and I both LOVED the sound of my Puma500 through the 15/6 cabs I had the pleasure of trying. That 'smooth, fat, pure' tone profile matches up beautifully with the vibe of the 15/6. The only problem for me was that, into 8ohms, the Puma500 just didn't have the wump to really drive that cab. That will NOT be a problem with the bridged 1000
