This doesn't quite pass the sniff test to me. I'm sure that rig sounds great, but my experience with the Berg Mini stack is that, while it's a great sounding little punchy rig, no matter what head was used, it would not keep up volume-wise with any of the options above, including two DB112's (although that one would be at least close, although the DB112's have much better low end extension than the original HT/EX stack to my ear). I agree though that 450 watts would be plenty to drive those small cabs to full volume.
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Tecamp vs. Thunderfunk vs. Genz Benz
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This doesn't quite pass the sniff test to me. I'm sure that rig sounds great, but my experience with the Berg Mini stack is that, while it's a great sounding little punchy rig, no matter what head was used, it would not keep up volume-wise with any of the options above, including two DB112's (although that one would be at least close, although the DB112's have much better low end extension than the original HT/EX stack to my ear). I agree though that 450 watts would be plenty to drive those small cabs to full volume.
Oh really!! Well I've played several outdoor rock gigs with NO PA support and this rig more than did the job. I've owned a piar of DB112's and now own the Berg 112ER's(not the original HT112's) and I'll take the Bergs anyday. Maybe you should reserve your opinions til you actually have played through the rig I suggested and not depend on your nose.
I'm sure it sounds very good, and I agree, the ER's get you into DB112 low end territory. Unfortunately, they also get you into DB112 weight territory (which may or may not be important to the OP).
I look forward to checking out that head. The reviews have been quite mixed, but it seems that's more due to the cabs (especially the 210) being a bit thin sounding versus any inherent issues with the head. The same thing happens sometimes with the Markbass LMII, which sounds amazing through Berg and Epi cabs, for example, but can sound a bit dull through some of the Markbass cab offerings.
I really have no interest in this head at all something about paging through parameters on the gig is very unappealing to me.
: Now as far as a recommendation, knowing your situation, I'm leaning towards the Shuttle but with this caveat. The Roscoe is the bass I have the least amount of experience with of about all the name basses out there. I've literally played Vic Serbes thru a prototype IP 110 for about five minutes at a GTG in Tombowlous's basement and that's it. The only bass player I listen to regularly who plays one a a lot is J Hislap who gets a great solo sound, but gets totally lost in the mix on every CD I've ever heard him on (since he switched to Roscoe) with a way to wide punch-less sound. The reason I'm leaning towards the Shuttle is that it is probably the least "big" sounding of the three rigs, and from what I remember (not a lot) you'll need to tame that wide spectrum sound a bit in the mix. I'm pretty much a J bass guy, and I've only played the 6.0 Shuttle so please take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Okay the Roscoe... Not in love with the tone... I know then why play it? Everything else small body, weight, very well balanced, looks great and the neck profile is out of this world.
I'm hoping that the nordstrands will even out the tone issues and give me a more J bass like tone. I'm also hoping to get my hands on a nice J bass as well and then switch to the Roscoe when my back can't take anymore.
And the tecamp. Once upon a time I almost bought a glockenklang rig from a guy I went to school with. Heart Rock and 410 cab. Loved the hi-fi clarity but I wished it had a little more warmth/charicter on the bottom I also didn't like taking the heart rock on the bus (chicago). So while the travel isn't really an issue here from what I've read around here the Tecamp seems to fit the bill for the tone I'm going after. Unless someone disagrees? I like the 1000 because of the ability to drive a large cab when bridged. I also tend to like just a touch of compression so the built in compressor is a nice feature for me.
I'm live out in West Bloomfield and I work downtown. I'm also frequently at Berkley Music if you ever wanted to meet up there... They've got an RH450 Ken.
Roscoe basses... I saw two of them being used at Walt Disney World when I was there with family a few weeks back, and both times they sounded....awful. I'm not a pure traditional kind of guy, but those two Roscoes sounded really bad. I don't know if it was the way the guys were EQ'ing them or what, but two different bands, two different players, two different rigs. They both had a very present upper-mid twangy thing going on. The just stuck out in the mix like a sore thumb IMO. I've played a couple before and didn't notice this, but I think this was the first time I've seen one at a gig.
If that's what they tend to sound like though, good luck getting it closer to a J bass.
If that's what they tend to sound like though, good luck getting it closer to a J bass.
No, everything different. I have to think it was just user error. The thing was, both of these players were really good, as are most of the Disney bands. I'm sure Roscoe's don't always sound that awful, but these two sounded identically bad.
Hey there,
Two quick coments here.
Macbass85, if you found the Glock was lacking warm in the lowend, the Puma 1000 will not do it for you IMHO.
Glock heartrock and Soul is about the warmest you can get in a solid state head so you will be hardpressed to find something warmer in this department.
Eublet, I think Roscoe is just not your tone. But I don't think you can say it sounds awful.
That Roscoe tone is quite mid oriented since the two pickups are quite closed to the bridge just like Ken Smith or Warwick can be but IMHO it sits very well in the mix and it can be tamed a bit with the right choice of pickups (Nordstrand or Bart. CB series).
This his a link to some soundclips I recorded with two different sets of pickups and electronics.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468764
However, a Roscoe will never sounds like a JB if it is your thing. Dual coils pickups close to one another and close to the bridge is as far as you can get from the JB standards tone.
Regards
Two quick coments here.
Macbass85, if you found the Glock was lacking warm in the lowend, the Puma 1000 will not do it for you IMHO.
Glock heartrock and Soul is about the warmest you can get in a solid state head so you will be hardpressed to find something warmer in this department.
Eublet, I think Roscoe is just not your tone. But I don't think you can say it sounds awful.
That Roscoe tone is quite mid oriented since the two pickups are quite closed to the bridge just like Ken Smith or Warwick can be but IMHO it sits very well in the mix and it can be tamed a bit with the right choice of pickups (Nordstrand or Bart. CB series).
This his a link to some soundclips I recorded with two different sets of pickups and electronics.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468764
However, a Roscoe will never sounds like a JB if it is your thing. Dual coils pickups close to one another and close to the bridge is as far as you can get from the JB standards tone.
Regards
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