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The Acoustic Club
- Thread starter The Owl
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I tried out the 410 and the 115 cab with the 600 head and I personally thought the 410 was a louder cab, and could go equally deep and it was also punchier than the 15" cab IMO...Peace...DAcat
This is good to know. I've finally gotten around to hooking up the B115 with my other cabs to see what my "outdoor gig" options will sound like tone & volume-wise. So far, I've paired the 8-ohm B115 with my Schroeder 21012L, but the Schroeder is definitely louder - due to it being 4-ohms & super-efficient drivers. They sounded great together, but a little unbalanced (not quite as much volume as I'd like from the 15). I'll try out the B410 soon and see if balances little better with the B115 - both being 8-ohm, I imagine it will. Thanks again...
Run the Effects Send or balanced Direct Out (both post-EQ) into the power amp input.
Thanks. I'm just curious about how this would all work. The B200H will still have power, but it won't be directed out, is that correct? In effect the only thing working would be the EQ.
Now, which amp controls the volume? Do I put the volume on the power amp at some point (say 30%) and use the B200H volume/gain to bring up the levels?
The effects send/preamp out signal will be the same whether or not cabinet(s) are connected to the speaker output(s) of the head. You're just grabbing the line level preamp out and routing it to an external amp. With this head, all the front panel controls are before the preamp out in the signal path, so eq, notch, gain and volume, and the rear panel D.I. out volume, will function as usual. The D.I. out level can get pretty hot when turned up IME. It's really up to you as to how you want to balance the volume of the preamp with your power amp. The thing I'd watch for is running the preamp too hot could cause clipping in the input of the power amp.
BTW, I have the actual circuit schematics from Acoustic, which show that the signal path in the block diagram in the manual is correct.
BTW, I have the actual circuit schematics from Acoustic, which show that the signal path in the block diagram in the manual is correct.
Yes just don't try running a tube amp without the speakers plugged in.
The Acoustic solid state should be fine.....If it were me I'd try it with my power amp all the way up and then use the Acoustic to adjust volume, easy on the gain.
Yes
Go out of the effects out on the Acoustic into your poweramp.
Turn power amp all the way up. Use the Acoustic to control your volume. You'll have to play with the gain and volume on the Acoustic depending on how much distortion you want. This will give you the most headroom on your poweramp. You can go out of the D.I. as stated but it has a seperate volume control for attentuation, for those pa and recording boards that don't have there own attenuator or its not enough. Use it liberally untll you find the right mix without clipping.
Try them both but I'd use the effects out which is really the same as a line out. Now if your poweramp is going to be a long distance from the Acoustic then use the D.I.
Experiment.
Great, thanks for the info. Should have access to a power amp soon and I'll try all this out.
Another benefit with this method is that if the effects out does the job & drives your external poweramp well enough (wouldn't see why not - aside from the long-distance factor), then this will still keep your DI output free to send your signal to a PA system on a gig, if necessary/applicable.
The power amp would sit right under the Acoustic one, so distance won't be an issue.
The only reason I'm even doing this is because I lucked into a pair of Bag End cabs, but the 2x10 is 4 ohms, the 1x18 is 8 ohms. I can't run them together from the Acoustic, so I've been told it would work with a 2 channel power amp (that can do 8, 4 and 2 ohms) with the Acoustic driving it.
Another suggestion was to use my Sansamp DI pedal into the power amp, but I prefer the B200H as I really like the tones I get from it.
I assume the power amp will be transparent as far as tone goes?
I see - yeah, the only feasible way of driving all those cabs with those kind of ohms ratings would be to do the external poweramp route like that or upgrade to the B600H. The SansAmp through the poweramp would work, but would not give you the Acoustic tone. In fact, the Acoustic head is the first bass head I've ever tried that I didn't feel like a SansAmp actually enhanced. That, I was really unprepared for (in a good way).
I think another TB'er poster said something to that effect in this thread somewhere, at first I was skeptical, but I find it to be true too. Spent a ton of time tweaking and A/B'ing with the SansAmp on/off & I'll be darned if I didn't like the Acoustic better un-SansAmp'ed - lol. But still, it is an option I suppose - if ran by itself through a poweramp. It would yield a better tone, IMO than running the SansAmp>B200H>poweramp.I see - yeah, the only feasible way of driving all those cabs with those kind of ohms ratings would be to do the external poweramp route like that or upgrade to the B600H. The SansAmp through the poweramp would work, but would not give you the Acoustic tone. In fact, the Acoustic head is the first bass head I've ever tried that I didn't feel like a SansAmp actually enhanced. That, I was really unprepared for (in a good way).
The reason I'm not jumping on the B600H head is that I belive the 2x10 4ohm cab will draw more wattage than the 1x18 8 ohm cab, and thus be louder. With the 2 channel power amp I believe I can control the sound into both cabs and balance it out.
I've tried my Sansamp pedal into the B200H, it's alright, but doesn't impress me the way I thought it would from what I'd read. I've found maybe 2 settings I can live with.
I play the B200H into the 4 ohm 2x10 all the time and it sounds really good. I'm hoping the 1x18 will round out the sound (bottom end) a bit more with the 2x10.
Good point - as I discovered between my 4-ohm Schroeder cab & the 8-ohm B115, the volume balance was not quite equal - good, but not totally equal. However, the 18 you've got might move just enough air to compete against the 4-ohm 210 (ohmage aside). Never know till you try I suppose - a lot of experimentation in your future me thinks.
Hope it works out.I just picked up an early to mid 70's 118 bass combo.When I checked it out at the seller's home it sounded great with no problems.My total playing time was about 60 seconds and I knew this was a cool vintage buy.Well,I use the amp at rehearsal last night and after about 5 minutes of playing I hear a loud hum as the speaker is distorting.No smoke or smell,just the amp is humming with a distorted sound.I am taking it to a tech today,I'm just curious to hear from you all what it may be.Thanks,Dave
This one is due to be split at 1000 now.
Here is the new link: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535757
Here is the new link: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535757
Good point - as I discovered between my 4-ohm Schroeder cab & the 8-ohm B115, the volume balance was not quite equal - good, but not totally equal. However, the 18 you've got might move just enough air to compete against the 4-ohm 210 (ohmage aside). Never know till you try I suppose - a lot of experimentation in your future me thinks.
Sometimes it doesn't pay to ask questions at music stores. The guy there said no way can you run the Acoustic amp without a speaker in it. I thought only tube amps have to have a speaker to plug into? He says the power from the B200H amp has to go somewhere.
Never heard that one when it comes to SS amps. 
Maybe Acoustic's tech support could shed some light...
Maybe Acoustic's tech support could shed some light...
Thanks Thor, I nearly forgot we were about to hit the 1000 post mark.
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Updated 6/5/2009
Anyhoo, here's the Master Member List to date:
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#2 Gearhead 43
#3 Pearly Gator
#4 Grayhawk 1853
#5 bottomend
#6 lug
#7 tom kalitowski
#8 bassmore
#9 steve21
#10 rcubed
#11 Templar
#12 willsellout
#13) Marley's Ghost
#14) matt galbraith
#15) 4FretlessMetal
#16) CTbass&birdsong
#17) themadpiper
#18) Lowbrow
#19) julo
#20) DAcat
#21) thesteve
#22) Mark Joe
#23) wld3
#24) levisixguns
#25) llamalor2112
#26) david meissner
#27) GeneralElectric
#28) bekin
#29) Chuck King
#30) Tanglehead
#31) busterbassballs
#32) GabeN
#33) fireincairo
#34) musicman7722
#35) mikedett
#36) Stumbo
#37) petalred
#38) S Lewis
#39) Tvrtko
#40) GreaserMatt
#41) j.a.e.r.i.p
#42) SpankyPants
#43) sevenorchids
#44) Green Mind
#45) Oberion
#46) Eclipse777
#47) ibnzneksrul
#48) FrostFire
#49) cellkirk74
#50) Ed2Strings
#51) no-logic
#52) Basshappi
#52) the art guy
#53) Bassgirlsara
#54) epoxyjazzbass
#55) brredstik
#56) jbo
#57) veloce
#58) woody357
#59) Tubaboy24
#60) FenderBassist
#61) ScottM
#62) Jazzbo58
#63) ZiggyDude
#64) Metal Matt
#65) Willy2911
#66) johnnyt
#67) subterranean
#68) Monotremata
#69) plopswagon
#70) elwaupo
#71) dontcallmeQRACK
#72) Sunnmon
#73) Woody357
#74) Eckie
#75) the humanity
#76) phattnotes
#77) BAW
#78) Serial Junkie
#79) BenitoBassolini
#80) Sippy
#81) lopxtc
#82) SCORPIO1313
#83) BUSMUTE (for your impending arrival)
#84) marnold
#85) KPE6zep
#86) MattMcCue
#87) Steve Bennett
#88) lazytech
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#106) the hook
#107) yukihiro
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#111) Thor
#112) luis781
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#114) mrpillow
#115) whisper14072
#116) baalroo
#117) VegaV77
#118) REAPER 52
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#120) Rich Guastella
#121) banre
#122) jaredfoster
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#124) bahamut
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