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The Fretless Club (Part 2!)

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Just picked up a Dean fretless 4 string in a trade. However, it was custom made a while ago and as such I have literally no information on it. I like how it plays though, almost has a natural flanger sound. Needs new strings though if I decide to keep it.

Here's a question though, it smells pretty bad and has been sitting in an attic a LONG time. What can I use to clean the thing? Also, it came with a hard case with like black-shag padding. If that's what smells how do I clean that thing? I just want the smell gone before I start using this bass!
 
I tried my first Fretless bass ever today.........Fender Vintage Modified..........I plugged it in at the store and just kept playing it......there are no fretwire to get in the way so no buzzing.....and I could probably get the action really low...........I'm tempted to buy it tomorrow....only one problem.....it's a long scale.........I have small hands and short fingers and I only play shortscales......now I didn't have as much trouble playing this long scale bass as I do when I try fretted basses.......but it's a little too heavy and I found the pups didn't have much output, though I'll go back tomorrow and give it another try............I'm thinking that maybe I should take one of my shortscales and defret it.....I have a custom build with swamp ash body and maple top with ebony board, Aguilar preamp and Kent Armstrong MM pickup which I haven't used in a while but it's a $2500 bass and I'm not sure if I should do it..............

So what are the best reasons to get a fretless? A more proper intonation since no fretwire to make it buzz?

I play mostly Rock, Blues, Classic Rock.......I don't really see a fretless fitting in but....if I did use a fretless, then I guess I'd be "different" and it might add a little "je ne s'ais quoi" to the band.......all this just to say that I think I'm hooked to "fretless basses"......

I haven't had a chance to read all the fretless forums, it might take me weeks....lol.....So does anyone here play Rock, Blues and Pop with a fretless?
I take it you mean a Squier VM fretless? I just bought a used one last week and like it a lot. You're right that the pickup output is low. I just goose the input gain on my amp and it comes out fine. In fact, it doesn't sound weak at all, and dynamic range and control is very good.

I have small hands too, but I've found that I still like the 34" scale, and the longer scale provides an advantage over 30" on intonation with a fretless. Besides, so much bass is played between the 8th and 15th frets where the difference in fret spacing between the 30" and 34" scales is minimal. You might try a 5-string 34" fretless and simply play at the 5th fret and above. At any rate I wouldn't be intimidated by the longer scale length, and I sure wouldn't modify a $2500 custom. You can get an inexpensive 30" fretless from Rondo Music to see if that's what you really want. You may need a better strap to get a good balance on the VM as I did.

I'm hooked on fretless too. I had a bass that I bought in 1998 that sat around mostly; then I bought a fretless in Oct. 2009, have been playing it ever since, and even play in a band now (I'm 57). The fretless simply sounds more like what I hear in my head, so for me it's a better instrument for self expression. You can really use fretless for most things, and certainly for rock, jazz, blues, roots rock, and '50s rock. I find it particularly good for blues. If you need a stronger leading edge attack usually supplied by the frets, just use a stout pick to launch the string at full swing.

Now I'm hooked on the fretless Jazz sound (my other fretless is a G&L ASAT with big humbuckers) and want a better one, so I'm thinking of getting a G&L JB-2 fretless or a Carvin B4000 fretless.

Best reasons to get a fretless is if you feel more at home playing one than a fretted. The rest hardly matters. If you bond with the instrument, you'll be able to play it on most music you want/need to play.
 
Just picked up a Dean fretless 4 string in a trade. However, it was custom made a while ago and as such I have literally no information on it. I like how it plays though, almost has a natural flanger sound. Needs new strings though if I decide to keep it.

Here's a question though, it smells pretty bad and has been sitting in an attic a LONG time. What can I use to clean the thing? Also, it came with a hard case with like black-shag padding. If that's what smells how do I clean that thing? I just want the smell gone before I start using this bass!

Pic, pic!

Yeah, the bass could be picking up to odor from the shag case for sure. Usually a few good rub downs with orange oil or lemon oil will refresh a skunked bass, but not always.

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I got an acoustic guitar case that was in great shape, but the insides smelled horrible - like some strange reptile nested in it for a while. People told me to just toss the case. I worked a lot of liquid bleach into the case and scrubbed it clean. Got rid of the odor, but now, even thoroughly dry, smells like bleach big time! :hmm:
 
Thanks for your input JohnnyB53....I didn't get a chance to go to try it again today, hopefully tomorrow.....I might just buy it but it'll depend how heavy it is....I've got back and neck problems and my basses have to be really light....but I have to say I felt at home on this bass and I normally really don't like long scale but since it has no frets I seemed to have more freedom of movement and knew I could rely on my ears....
 
Thanks for your input JohnnyB53....I didn't get a chance to go to try it again today, hopefully tomorrow.....I might just buy it but it'll depend how heavy it is....I've got back and neck problems and my basses have to be really light....but I have to say I felt at home on this bass and I normally really don't like long scale but since it has no frets I seemed to have more freedom of movement and knew I could rely on my ears....
Last week I played my VM fretless with a pretty nice, but conventional strap and my shoulder and neck were hurting a bit afterward. I also have neck problems with 2 collapsed disks in my lower neck area. So I practiced tonight with this Levy's M29 bass strap and the bass balanced better and I had no soreness. These things are easily worth the money.

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Adirondack Guitar only carries them in black and brown, but their prices are the best. Sometimes you can get them in the other colors from Amazon or Musicians Friend, but they're more money.
 
Pic, pic!

Yeah, the bass could be picking up to odor from the shag case for sure. Usually a few good rub downs with orange oil or lemon oil will refresh a skunked bass, but not always.

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I got an acoustic guitar case that was in great shape, but the insides smelled horrible - like some strange reptile nested in it for a while. People told me to just toss the case. I worked a lot of liquid bleach into the case and scrubbed it clean. Got rid of the odor, but now, even thoroughly dry, smells like bleach big time! :hmm:

Thanks! I'll try that. And I'll get a pic or two up of the fretless later today.
 
loopee said:
I tried my first Fretless bass ever today.........Fender Vintage Modified..........I plugged it in at the store and just kept playing it......there are no fretwire to get in the way so no buzzing.....and I could probably get the action really low...........I'm tempted to buy it tomorrow....only one problem.....it's a long scale.........I have small hands and short fingers and I only play shortscales......now I didn't have as much trouble playing this long scale bass as I do when I try fretted basses.......but it's a little too heavy and I found the pups didn't have much output, though I'll go back tomorrow and give it another try............I'm thinking that maybe I should take one of my shortscales and defret it.....I have a custom build with swamp ash body and maple top with ebony board, Aguilar preamp and Kent Armstrong MM pickup which I haven't used in a while but it's a $2500 bass and I'm not sure if I should do it..............

So what are the best reasons to get a fretless? A more proper intonation since no fretwire to make it buzz?

I play mostly Rock, Blues, Classic Rock.......I don't really see a fretless fitting in but....if I did use a fretless, then I guess I'd be "different" and it might add a little "je ne s'ais quoi" to the band.......all this just to say that I think I'm hooked to "fretless basses"......

I haven't had a chance to read all the fretless forums, it might take me weeks....lol.....So does anyone here play Rock, Blues and Pop with a fretless?

Rock cames from the Blues and old blues jams involved stand up bass with no frets. The answer is a question: When did frets start fitting in?

Fretless to me adds some style freedom to your play. Miss a note? Just slide into it and keep on playin'....introduce a slide as a transition in a bridge....let a note mwahh its way to silence at the end of a song. I play in a Blues band with some rock. I find myself gigging with the fretless more often than not these days. It just feels better.

I'll admit I resort to my fretted Warwick when recording when I am looking for a little accuracy boost on intonation. I'm still sorting out which times are which but the option is fun to have and just part of the musical mix.

Enjoy the ride!
 
B-500 said:
Just picked up a Dean fretless 4 string in a trade. However, it was custom made a while ago and as such I have literally no information on it. I like how it plays though, almost has a natural flanger sound. Needs new strings though if I decide to keep it.

Here's a question though, it smells pretty bad and has been sitting in an attic a LONG time. What can I use to clean the thing? Also, it came with a hard case with like black-shag padding. If that's what smells how do I clean that thing? I just want the smell gone before I start using this bass!

Lemon oil on the fretboard (apply reasonably liberally and wipe off excess.) Hey it's an old Dean, so lemon Pledge and a terry cloth everywhere else. Ditch the case and get a cheap gig bag. String it up with some Detroit stainless flats from webstrings.com and have at it!
 
Lemon oil on the fretboard (apply reasonably liberally and wipe off excess.) Hey it's an old Dean, so lemon Pledge and a terry cloth everywhere else. Ditch the case and get a cheap gig bag. String it up with some Detroit stainless flats from webstrings.com and have at it!

Deans don't get lots of Love on TB but when you get one that works for you, you enjoy what they have to offer: decent playability and sound usually at a great price.

That's a keeper from the looks of it.

Awesome thanks for the advice. I really like the design of the bass that the original builder came up with. Wish I had a model number though just so I could describe it better.
 
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